Why are blue LEDs so expensive?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for the higher cost of blue LEDs compared to other colored LEDs, exploring aspects such as material composition, manufacturing processes, and market demand. Participants touch on both theoretical and practical considerations related to LED technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the recent technological development of blue LEDs compared to red LEDs, suggesting that historical challenges in producing blue light may have influenced current perceptions.
  • Another participant speculates that the materials used for blue LEDs, such as SiC or ZnS, could contribute to their higher costs.
  • Concerns about excessive fabrication costs for new materials are mentioned, indicating that manufacturing complexity plays a role in pricing.
  • Some participants discuss the market dynamics, suggesting that pricing may also depend on consumer willingness to pay and the relative demand for blue LEDs compared to other colors.
  • There is mention of white LEDs that utilize blue LEDs, which are cheaper due to economies of scale, raising questions about the utility and pricing of different LED types.
  • One participant highlights the ongoing challenges in achieving high-quality blue LEDs, referencing the need for advanced fabrication processes and the historical difficulty in achieving the necessary energy gap for blue wavelengths.
  • Another participant points out that while strings of blue fairy lights are available at lower prices, the quality and brightness of these LEDs may vary.
  • There is a discussion about the brightness of blue LEDs in comparison to other colors, with anecdotal observations about their performance in consumer products like Christmas lights.
  • One participant mentions the potential for high-brightness blue LEDs to be much more powerful than standard indicator LEDs, raising safety concerns.
  • There is a brief exchange regarding the pricing of blue LEDs on online marketplaces, illustrating the variability in costs and availability.

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Participants express a range of viewpoints regarding the factors influencing the cost of blue LEDs, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing theories and observations are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various materials and processes involved in LED production, but the discussion lacks detailed technical specifications or consensus on the implications of these factors. The complexity of the semiconductor manufacturing landscape is acknowledged, yet specific limitations or assumptions are not fully explored.

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Why are blue leds so much more expensive than any other colour leds? I could buy a pack of 100 red leds for about $10, and 1 blue led for $4, in Sydney Australia.

Does it have anything to do with the frequency of blue light being higher than green, red and yellow?
 
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I can't answer your question, but then that never stops me from responding. :smile:

A decent blue LED is recent technology, about as new as white LEDs. Reds have been marketed for the longest time. When I was a student, I recall now with wry amusement, how one textbook stated that "LEDs should theoretically produce only blue light, yet blue is the only colour that researchers have been unable to achieve!"

This must, in part, have led to my developing a healthy distrust of hide-bound theorists.
 
blue led's use SiC or ZnS, so I am guessing these are expensive compounds?
 
Excessive fabrication cost for new materials.
 
You can buy a string of blue 'fairy lights' for just a few quid. A good source if you need several. Very blue and fairly bright. It would depend how bright you need, I suppose.
 
It's partly a question of "what are people prepared to pay for them" and the manufacturing demand for them compared with other colors.

Some types of "white LED" actually use blue LEDs to generate the light, plus a fluorescent material to convert it from monochromatic to a "white" frequency spectrum. These are much cheaper than blue LEDs - but they are much more generally useful for lighting purposes and therefore benefit from economies of scale.
 
sophiecentaur said:
You can buy a string of blue 'fairy lights' for just a few quid. A good source if you need several. Very blue and fairly bright. It would depend how bright you need, I suppose.
Are the LEDs blue? Or are they white LEDs encased in blue plastic?
 
Blue are generally blue. Shorter wavelengths have come about that use phosphors to get a pleasant light.

The cost is process. While the fabrication is not as elaborate as silicon ICs, it still involves demanding deposition processes. A goodly number of gases and vapors (bubbled substances), and for now, capability that is well behind the demand.

The semiconductor world is a constantly changing environment. If the LEDs follow the trend, their cost will spiral downwards.
 
Yeah, Mike. Just to imagine how much process engineers have to work these days even to get silicon work in 22nm domain is just enough. Silicon technology had a long way of fine tuning its process for productivity (more than 40 years). Even a simple test process for university lab course is very through and complicated. In fab industry many additional factors get included.
And Blue LEDs (if I'm correct) are only recent discovery. They could not get the sufficient amount of energy gap for target blue wavelength. Thus they used quantum confinement to achieve it. And its a GaN/InGaN/AlGaN process.
 
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Strings of christmas lights bear out the tenet of OP's observation. Plenty of reds and bright greens and yellow or orange, but hiding among them, easily overlooked, some puny blues that seem to be working at half brightness. Still a way to go with good blues, I think.
 
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Most likely you got hold of a blue ingan led. For that kind of money you should be buying a 1-watt high-brightness illumination-class led. This would be around 100 to 1000 times brighter than an indicator led and could in fact cause eye damage.
 
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Here you go, $0.06 each.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=120822106983
 
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Antiphon said:
Here you go, $0.06 each.
[strike]Not 6¢ each, they are $6 each.[/strike]

My mistake. The title does say 100 pcs so you are right, just 6¢ each. :rolleyes:
And free postage, to boot!
 
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