Why are there no signs indicating prevention of rotation in this diagram?

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The discussion centers on the absence of signs indicating prevention of rotation in a given diagram, specifically regarding the y and z axes. Participants clarify that the curved arrow represents an applied torque rather than a restriction of motion. They emphasize that rotation is prevented by the moments of the forces, not by explicit indicators in the diagram. The conversation highlights a misunderstanding of what constitutes moment restrictions, with some asserting that such indicators are not typically used in engineering diagrams. Overall, the focus is on the relationship between applied forces, torques, and the structural stability of the system.
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in this diagram , we know that the whole thing wouldn't rotate about y and z axis , right ? why the sign of prevention of rotation are not shown there ?
i added green sign = prevent rotation in the z axis , red = prevent rotation in the y axis

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Not sure what you mean by "sign of prevention of rotation". You seem to have added torques, maybe opposing rotation at B and C. Is that what you mean, that you think there should be torques there for equilibrium?
 
haruspex said:
Not sure what you mean by "sign of prevention of rotation". You seem to have added torques, maybe opposing rotation at B and C. Is that what you mean, that you think there should be torques there for equilibrium?
I'm wondering why there are no moment restriction about y and z -axis ...
from the first sight , we know that the whole structure wouldn't turn in any direction , right ?
 
werson tan said:
I'm wondering why there are no moment restriction about y and z -axis ...
from the first sight , we know that the whole structure wouldn't turn in any direction , right ?
Yes, but that can be explained entirely in terms of the linear forces shown in the second diagram.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, but that can be explained entirely in terms of the linear forces shown in the second diagram.
Can you explain figure 2??
 
werson tan said:
Can yo

Can you explain figure 2??
What is it that puzzles you about it? It shows the linear forces at each of the three bearings, resolved into the coordinate axes.
 
haruspex said:
What is it that puzzles you about it? It shows the linear forces at each of the three bearings, resolved into the coordinate axes.
the whole structure can't rotate in x , y , and z direction right ? why the restriction of moment about y, and z axis are not shown ? only x direction(45Nm) is shown ...this puzzled me...
 
werson tan said:
the whole structure can't rotate in x , y , and z direction right ? why the restriction of moment about y, and z axis are not shown ? only x direction(45Nm) is shown ...this puzzled me...
The curved arrow around the x-axis is not a restriction of motion, it is an applied torque. Why would you expect symbols indicating a restriction of motion? I've never seen such.
Edit: do you mean reaction forces and torques?
 
haruspex said:
The curved arrow around the x-axis is not a restriction of motion, it is an applied torque. Why would you expect symbols indicating a restriction of motion? I've never seen such.
Edit: do you mean reaction forces and torques?
since the structure can't turn about x , y, and z axis ... so , there should be signs to indicate the moment restrictions about x , y and z axis , right ... just like this case...
 

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werson tan said:
since the structure can't turn about x , y, and z axis ... so , there should be signs to indicate the moment restrictions about x , y and z axis , right ... just like this case...
Those are not moment restrictions. The 200Nm is an applied torque. The MAx and MAz are unknown moments to be determined.
I have never seen a diagram in which 'moment restrictions' are indicated, and I'm not sure what the term would mean. Rotation about an axis is prevented by the moments of the forces. There is no deity edicting "thou shalt not turn".
 
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haruspex said:
Those are not moment restrictions. The 200Nm is an applied torque. The MAx and MAz are unknown moments to be determined.
I have never seen a diagram in which 'moment restrictions' are indicated, and I'm not sure what the term would mean. Rotation about an axis is prevented by the moments of the forces. There is no deity edicting "thou shalt not turn".
Ok!
 
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