Why circuit breaker shuts off when lamp burns out?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of circuit breakers when a lamp burns out, specifically focusing on the electrical changes that occur when a lamp filament melts and the implications for circuit protection. The scope includes technical explanations and exploratory reasoning related to electrical circuits and safety mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when a lamp filament melts, its resistance becomes infinite, leading to an open circuit.
  • Others question the specifics of the circuit breaker’s location and the equipment involved, suggesting that details are necessary to understand why the breaker trips.
  • A participant shares information about arcing that can occur when a filament breaks, which may draw high current and cause the breaker to trip.
  • Another participant reflects on the surprising nature of the arcing scenario and acknowledges learning new information about the current draw during such events.
  • One participant notes that while arcing may lead to high current, they believe this scenario is an exception rather than the norm, sharing personal experiences with lamp failures.
  • There is mention of built-in fuses in higher-quality bulbs that may prevent the breaker from tripping, contrasting with cheaper bulbs that lack such features.
  • Participants discuss the timing of resistance changes, indicating that infinite resistance occurs after the arc extinguishes, which may relate to the next zero crossing of the sine wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mechanisms at play when a lamp burns out and the circuit breaker trips. There is no consensus on the frequency of arcing events or the typical behavior of circuit breakers in these situations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit configuration, the type of circuit breaker, and the specific characteristics of the lamps discussed remain unspecified, which may influence the interpretations of the participants.

Charles123
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Isn't the case that when the lamp filament melts the resistance of that part of the circuit goes to infinite? So why does the circuit breaker turn off current?
Thank you
Regards
 
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Charles123 said:
Isn't the case that when the lamp filament melts the resistance of that part of the circuit goes to infinite? So why does the circuit breaker turn off current?
Thank you
Regards

The answer to your first question is yes, when a lamp filament melts the lamp's resistance goes to infinity (open).

Now, to answer your second question will you please describe where is the circuit breaker? What equipment is this? We can't know why the CB trips until you tell us the details.
 
from http://www.megavolt.co.il/Tips_and_info/incandescent.html

Why does my breaker jump when my bulb burns out? Sometimes the bulb explodes too.When the filament in the bulb breaks, an arc sometimes forms, expanding across the entire broken filament. While drawing a few hundred amperes of current, the arc starts to get unstable and melts what is left of the filament, in a bright blue glow. This will usually cause the bulb to burst and the circuit breaker to trip. Most good quality bulbs have a small built-in fuse inside the base that will normally burn before your breaker has a chance to trip. Cheaper bulbs have poor quality control and no built-in fuse in the base.

see also this informative diagram

http://www.dumet.net/lamps.html
 
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Thank you, Old Jim. Never imagined that arcing scenario drawing hundreds of amps and tripping the breaker!

Us old dogs CAN learn new tricks!

Bobbywhy
 
Thanks for the kind words Bobbywhy !

I have to think the hundreds of amps scenario is the exception.
I've only seen two lamps blow their tops off. But we all know that "flash-thud" when they go.

I didnt know about the internal fuse until found that link. A good reason to buy the $1.59 lamp instead of the $0.49 for locations where falling glass shards could be an annoyance..

but the point is, an arc conducts well. Only after it goes out do you see infinite resistance. That should be at next zero crossing of sinewave.
 

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