Why Do Bench Power Supplies Remain So Large?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the size and weight of bench power supplies used in laboratory settings, exploring why these devices have not become significantly smaller despite advancements in technology. Participants examine the implications of size on performance, usability, and design considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire for bench power supplies to be as compact as laptop power supplies while maintaining high performance.
  • Others argue that the need for low noise outputs necessitates the use of linear power supplies, which are inherently larger due to the transformers required for operation at AC mains frequency.
  • There is mention of smaller switching power supplies that can be lighter but come with drawbacks such as increased noise and ripple in the output.
  • A hybrid design using a switching power supply followed by a linear regulator is proposed as a potential solution for achieving smaller size with low noise, though it is noted that such designs may not be widely available.
  • Participants discuss the practical aspects of size, including the need for knobs, meters, and connectors, which limit how small the power supplies can be made.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of smaller units, with some participants preferring heavier supplies that remain stationary during use.
  • There is a shared sentiment that overly small and light power supplies may not withstand the rigors of laboratory environments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the ideal size and design of bench power supplies. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the trade-offs between size, performance, and usability.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific design requirements for laboratory use, the unresolved trade-offs between linear and switching power supply technologies, and the varying preferences for equipment stability and portability.

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I am talking about those power supplies in the University lab. Also if I wish to buy any now it will still be quite big and similar to what is in the University lab.

My question is, even after the technology has advanced, why are bench power supplies so huge and heavy? Why have they not become miniaturized with the same performance?

Edit: miniaturized is wrong word, small will do.
 
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You want a 2" by 2" multi output supply that can slip around? Also supply get smaller, but your fingers don't, neither are the output connectors. You need to have knobs on the supply to adjust the parameters and wires to plug into the supply. What is the point of making it so small?
 


I guess the word miniature has been a mistake. I would like to have Bench Power supplies with the same performance as small as the laptop power supply. :D
 


shippo113 said:
I guess the word miniature has been a mistake. I would like to have Bench Power supplies with the same performance as small as the laptop power supply. :D

You would like a 20V, 4A power supply that cannot be adjusted or current limited, has no display, gets very hot, has less performance with transients and ripple and accuracy, and breaks within 5 years or much sooner if you do bad things to its output?
 


shippo113 said:
I am talking about those power supplies in the University lab. Also if I wish to buy any now it will still be quite big and similar to what is in the University lab.

My question is, even after the technology has advanced, why are bench power supplies so huge and heavy? Why have they not become miniaturized with the same performance?

Edit: miniaturized is wrong word, small will do.

shippo113 said:
I guess the word miniature has been a mistake. I would like to have Bench Power supplies with the same performance as small as the laptop power supply. :D

The main reason is that you generally want lab power supplies to have very low noise on their outputs, so that means that they have to be linear power supplies, which are always going to be big and bulky because the transformers have to run off of the AC Mains frequency (50/60Hz).

You can certainly get smaller power supplies that use switching power converters -- they can be smaller and lighter because the magnetics will be running in the 100kHz range or so. But the disadvantage is that their output rails will have noise/ripple on them from the switching action of the supply circuitry.

One hybrid design (which I haven't seen but could certainly already exist) would use a switcher followed by a linear regulator. That would work for a fixed output voltage, and would give you a pretty small & light power supply with low output noise.
 


With all the knobs, meters, connectors, you can't make it that small. And I don't want the power supply to be drag and tumbling around. I like it nice as heavy and sit in one spot. If small is what you want, there are plenty little supply that you can buy and wire it up.
 


yungman said:
...And I don't want the power supply to be drag and tumbling around. I like it nice as heavy and sit in one spot.

One of the smartest things I have ever seen posted here on PF. When equipment gets so small that the connecting cables just due to their stiffness moves the unit around I look around for something heavy to attach to the bottom to keep it in place.
 


Averagesupernova said:
When equipment gets so small that the connecting cables just due to their stiffness moves the unit around I look around for something heavy to attach to the bottom to keep it in place.

Not to mention the problem that if a general purpose gizno like a power supply is small and light enough to put in somebody's pocket, it might not survive long as a lab power supply, if you get my meaning!
 

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