Why Do Objects Appear As We See Them?

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This discussion explores the perception of objects and the reasons behind how we see them, particularly focusing on reflections and the effects of surface texture on visual perception. Participants examine scenarios involving light sources and reflective surfaces, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects of vision.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why we see objects as they appear and specifically inquire about the visibility of reflections from walls compared to reflective surfaces.
  • It is noted that walls typically do not reflect images due to their roughness, which scatters light in various directions, preventing the formation of clear images.
  • Participants discuss how the brain constructs a 3D image from light, with some suggesting that the roughness of a surface contributes to the perception of a wall rather than a blurred reflection of a bulb.
  • There is mention of how materials can become more reflective at grazing angles, which could allow for reflections under certain conditions.
  • Some participants explore the technical aspects of reflection and diffusion, using examples like aluminum foil to illustrate how surface texture affects visual perception.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the mechanisms of visual perception and the role of surface texture in reflections. No consensus is reached regarding the specifics of how these processes work, and multiple competing explanations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of visual perception, including the effects of surface roughness and light scattering, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or provide definitive theories on how the brain constructs images from light.

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i am new to physics so had a question regarding appearance of objects
firstly-why do we see the objects as they appear?
secondly-consider a situation wherein i am seeing the reflection of the bulbs above me on the reflecting surface on the ground,but i could not see those bulb refection from the side walls because they aren't reflective enough,also the only light producing element are those bulbs
the question that goes is
"why do i see side walls as walls but not as blurred reflection of bulbs?"
 
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nouveau_riche said:
i am new to physics so had a question regarding appearance of objects
firstly-why do we see the objects as they appear?
secondly-consider a situation wherein i am seeing the reflection of the bulbs above me on the reflecting surface on the ground,but i could not see those bulb refection from the side walls because they aren't reflective enough,also the only light producing element are those bulbs
the question that goes is
"why do i see side walls as walls but not as blurred reflection of bulbs?"

Last question: Sometimes you do, if the walls are slick enough. But normally the walls are not completely flat at the microscopic level; they break up the direct rays from the bulb and throw them in little pieces in every direction.
 
Objects either reflect light in straight lines (mirror), reflect light diffusely (wall), refract light (glass cup), or absorb light (black hair) and our brain has figured out how to construct an internal 3D image from the light (or lack of) that come from the object and enters our eyes. Why don't we typically see reflected images in walls? For the same reason you can look out a window and see a tree but if you look out a frosted window you don't. If the light gets jumbled up, you can't form images. Interestingly, most materials become highly reflective at grazing viewing angles. So if the wall's surface is not too rough, and you place the light bulb right near the wall and your head near the wall, you will be able to see a light bulb image reflected in the wall.
 
chrisbaird said:
Objects either reflect light in straight lines (mirror), reflect light diffusely (wall), refract light (glass cup), or absorb light (black hair) and our brain has figured out how to construct an internal 3D image from the light (or lack of) that come from the object and enters our eyes. Why don't we typically see reflected images in walls? For the same reason you can look out a window and see a tree but if you look out a frosted window you don't. If the light gets jumbled up, you can't form images. Interestingly, most materials become highly reflective at grazing viewing angles. So if the wall's surface is not too rough, and you place the light bulb right near the wall and your head near the wall, you will be able to see a light bulb image reflected in the wall.

do we have any theory about how brain construct these images just out of light?
 
danR said:
Last question: Sometimes you do, if the walls are slick enough. But normally the walls are not completely flat at the microscopic level; they break up the direct rays from the bulb and throw them in little pieces in every direction.

how does throwing light from a bulb into pieces due to roughness gives the perception of wall not of blurry bulb?
 
nouveau_riche said:
how does throwing light from a bulb into pieces due to roughness gives the perception of wall not of blurry bulb?

Think of it this way: you have a sheet of perfectly smooth aluminum foil. It reflects the bulb perfectly; you may not even notice the foil if it's that perfect.

crumple the surface a bit. The light bulb image breaks up somewhat, but you can still make something of it out. Crumple it more and more. The bulb gradually disappears into thousands of tiny bits as its rays are thrown into to your eyes not only from the direct reflection, but from every part of the aluminum foil.

The technical names for these appearances are 'spectral' and 'diffuse', respectively, and CGI imaging exploit these properties, and graphic artists are familiar with the phenomena.

Now you're not really seeing the bulb at all, just a big surface of white. The wall-paint is a little different, there are also refraction effects from the titanium dioxide white or whatever pigment, but the principle is the same: you're getting bits of reflection/refraction/dispersion of the light bulb from all over the surface and now you are really 'seeing' the wall. That is precisely what 'wall-appearance' consists of. That is the 'image' of what we perceive and call, a 'wall'.

But if there is a bit of surface sheen or slickness in the paint surface, then you still have a bit of mirror-like residue and you still see also a bit of the bulb.
 

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