Why do we know space-time is locally flat?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of locally flat spacetime in the context of General Relativity (GR) and its implications for the use of differentiable 4-manifolds. Participants explore the relationship between the Equivalence Principle and the flatness of spacetime, as well as considerations regarding quantum effects and the nature of quantum gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the basis for knowing that spacetime is locally flat and whether the Equivalence Principle supports this understanding.
  • One participant asserts that the empirical success of experiments in small regions aligns with the predictions of Special Relativity, suggesting that this supports the notion of local flatness.
  • Another participant notes that while the Equivalence Principle implies local flatness, it raises further questions about its own validity.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of quantum effects on the smoothness of spacetime, with one participant stating that no evidence currently suggests spacetime is quantized.
  • There is speculation about the nature of quantum gravity, with some participants indicating that a definitive theory is lacking and that the quantization of spacetime remains an open question.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Equivalence Principle and the nature of spacetime at quantum scales. There is no consensus on the existence or characteristics of a theory of quantum gravity, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the relationship between quantum mechanics and general relativity, and the lack of empirical evidence for quantized spacetime.

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Why do we know space-time is locally flat,then we can use differentiable 4-manifold to describe the space-time?Do the Equivalence Principle say this?Classically space-time in GR is smooth,but what about if we consider the quantum effect?
 
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fxdung said:
Why do we know space-time is locally flat,then we can use differentiable 4-manifold to describe the space-time?

Because doing so gives us a theory, General Relativity, that matches the results of experiments to very high accuracy.

fxdung said:
Do the Equivalence Principle say this?

The EP says so, yes, but that's not why we know it's true, because it just shifts the question to, why do we know that the EP is true? The answer to that is the same answer I gave above.

fxdung said:
Classically space-time in GR is smooth,but what about if we consider the quantum effect?

No one has ever observed any signs of spacetime itself being quantized. According to most physicists, this is to be expected since if spacetime is quantized, the length scale on which we would expect to see such effects is roughly the Planck length, which is 20 orders of magnitude smaller than the smallest length scale we can probe experimentally (roughly the size of an atomic nucleus).
 
Then what is Quantum Gravity?What is quantized in this theory?
 
fxdung said:
Then what is Quantum Gravity?What is quantized in this theory?

We don't know because we don't have a theory of quantum gravity. Many physicists believe that spacetime will end up being quantized in such a theory, but that's only a speculation at this point.
 
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fxdung said:
Why do we know space-time is locally flat

Empirically speaking - because every experiment we perform in a small enough local region matches the predictions of Special Relativity. Since that model is based on flat Minkowski spacetime, we can deduce that spacetime is locally flat. There are of course also more theoretical reasons, but I think you can get my drift.
 
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