Why do we need a voltage regulator here?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the function and necessity of a voltage regulator in a specific circuit designed for measuring inductance. Participants explore the roles of various components, including the LM311 voltage comparator and the LM7805 voltage regulator, within the context of an LC meter circuit.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the role of the LM311, suggesting it compares voltages and outputs a difference, while another clarifies that it functions as an oscillator, with frequency dependent on the inductor and capacitor values.
  • There is a proposal that the output from the LM311 can be sent to a microprocessor for further analysis, but calibration would be necessary.
  • Participants discuss the power supply, with one asserting that the circuit likely uses a 9V battery, while another confirms the presence of a 5V regulator to provide stable voltage for the oscillator and microprocessor.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the LM7805 voltage regulator, noting it requires a minimum input voltage of about 7V to function correctly and can handle input voltages up to 37V.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how the oscillator operates in relation to the LC circuit and its resonant frequency, prompting further breakdown of the circuit's components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the roles of the LM311 and LM7805, but there is some confusion regarding the specifics of the circuit operation and the exact voltage requirements, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the precise operation of the oscillator and the relationship between component values and output frequency. Additionally, assumptions about the power supply and its implications for circuit functionality are not fully clarified.

Neyolight
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Hi all

Here is the circuit that I will refer to: LINK : http://electronics-diy.com/lc_meter.php

Ok my first question, Why do we need a voltage comparator (LM311) there? A voltage comparator compare the + and - voltages and output the difference??

What I want to do is, measure the inductance of the L and then send that value to a computer for further analysis.

Thanks o:)
 
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The LM311 is working as an oscillator in this circuit and the frequency depends on the values of the inductor and capacitor in the circuit between pins 2 and 3.

The output is taken to the microprocessor from pin 7, so you could take this output to your computer if you wished. You would have to calibrate the output yourself, but the component values may be directly related to the output frequency.

The original kit has a programmed PIC 16F628 chip in it, so an unprogrammed one would not work.

It does seem a bit overpriced, though.
You could get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LCR-Inductance-Capacitance-Multimeter-Meter-RCL-M05-/300548703185?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item45fa1943d1
for about $16.
 
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Thanks for that vk6kro :smile:

Im still a bit confused as to how that circuit works. Let me divide that circuit into 3 parts:

1) Oscillator: Does this provide the alternating current the LC circuit needs to oscillate at resonant frequency? Does it also modify the frequency as the L in the LC circuit changes?

2) Battery : Circuit is using a 5V DC battery I believe

3) LC circuit
 
Neyolight said:
Thanks for that vk6kro :smile:

2) Battery : Circuit is using a 5V DC battery I believe

No its most likely using a 9V battery There's a 5V regulator there to provide a stable 5V for the osc cct and the PIC processor etc. The 7805 regulator needs at least 2V headroom for it to regulate correctly

cheers
Dave
 
Neyolight said:
Thanks for that vk6kro :smile:

Im still a bit confused as to how that circuit works. Let me divide that circuit into 3 parts:

1) Oscillator: Does this provide the alternating current the LC circuit needs to oscillate at resonant frequency? Does it also modify the frequency as the L in the LC circuit changes?

2) Battery : Circuit is using a 5V DC battery I believe

3) LC circuit

The oscillator uses a LM311 with positive feedback, but the feedback happens at the resonant frequency of the tuned circuit formed by the external L or C and carefully chosen internal components.

So, the oscillation happens only at the resonant frequency of the tuned circuit.

The oscillator is the entire combined LC circuit and the comparator chip.

The LM7805 chip produces 5 volts out but it must have about 7 volts minimum input to produce 5 volts out.
So, the supply can be 7 volts, 8 volts, 9 volts or anything up to about 37 volts which is the maximum rating of the LM7805. The chip will waste more power and get hotter with higher voltages.

There is a clearer diagram in this article and it may be easier to see how the oscillator works:
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_110500/article.html
 

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