Why Does a Prism Periscope Focus Light Instead of Scattering It?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light in prisms, specifically in the context of prism periscopes. Participants explore how prisms can direct light rather than scatter it, contrasting their use in imaging applications with their role in creating rainbows.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that prisms are typically used to scatter light and create rainbows, questioning why they can also direct light in periscopes.
  • Others suggest that the orientation of prisms in imaging applications allows for total internal reflection, which is a key factor in their function within periscopes.
  • A participant mentions that light enters and exits prisms along the normal, which minimizes dispersion, and highlights the importance of the angles involved in internal reflection.
  • Some contributions discuss the low chromatic aberration in optical systems using prisms, suggesting that the arrangement of angles helps counteract dispersion effects.
  • There is a mention of the advantages of prisms over lenses, including their ability to provide total reflection and their planar nature, which may help in compensating for dispersion.
  • One participant reflects on the historical perception of prisms as inferior to lenses, while acknowledging their unique benefits in certain optical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the use of prisms, with some agreeing on the principles of total internal reflection and chromatic aberration, while others raise questions and uncertainties about specific applications and effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall comparison between prisms and lenses.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of chromatic aberration in prisms, indicating a lack of recent experience with the topic. There are also references to specific applications and configurations that may not be universally applicable.

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a prism is supposed to scatter light rays and separate it into rainbow,then why in a prism periscope the prism send light rays to a particular direction instead of scattering?
 
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Dipra Irham said:
a prism is supposed to scatter light rays and separate it into rainbow,then why in a prism periscope the prism send light rays to a particular direction instead of scattering?
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

What is the difference between how a prism is used in optics like a periscope or image erector, versus how you use the prism to form a rainbow. Hint -- do a Google Images search to see how the prism is used in a periscope, and compare it to this image:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mikael_Sundberg2/publication/277798811/figure/fig10/AS:294333388476423@1447185956597/White-light-incident-on-a-triangular-prism-left-side-disperses-and-creates-a-rainbow.png

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Dipra Irham said:
a prism is supposed to scatter light rays and separate it into rainbow,then why in a prism periscope the prism send light rays to a particular direction instead of scattering?
Prisms can be used in more than one way and their angles can be accordingly different.
You will have seen a diagram of this use of a prism. You will notice that light enters and leaves the prism along a Normal. So there is no dispersion there. The internal reflection is arranged to be at an angle, well different from the Critical Angle so all wavelengths are totally reflected.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Prisms can be used in more than one way and their angles can be accordingly different.
You will have seen a diagram of this use of a prism. You will notice that light enters and leaves the prism along a Normal. So there is no dispersion there.

For most prisms in optical systems, the majority of the light doesn't enter at the normal angle. However, the fact that the angle to the normal is generally small and that you're not trying to focus the light with the prism keeps the chromatic aberration low. I believe the dispersion generated by the first surface is counteracted by the exiting surface, perhaps with a small lateral (side-to-side/up-and-down) offset of the image in the different colors. But I admit I haven't worked with prisms in well over a year, and even then I don't think we investigated the chromatic aberration of a prism, so don't take my word as the law on this.
 
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Drakkith said:
For most prisms in optical systems, the majority of the light doesn't enter at the normal angle. However, the fact that the angle to the normal is generally small and that you're not trying to focus the light with the prism keeps the chromatic aberration low. I believe the dispersion generated by the first surface is counteracted by the exiting surface, perhaps with a small lateral (side-to-side/up-and-down) offset of the image in the different colors. But I admit I haven't worked with prisms in well over a year, and even then I don't think we investigated the chromatic aberration of a prism, so don't take my word as the law on this.
I agree with that 'second level' of prism knowledge. CA is always a problem in optics but the symmetry of the way prisms tend to be used must help a lot.
The prism is a bit of a poor relative of the lens and people tend to dismiss its problems like I did in my first post. There are several advantages over lenses, They are used to stretch the optics and allow a long focus objective in binoculars so the angle range is small. They are planar so, as you say, the dispersion at one end will be 'ideally' compensated for at the other end of a pair. I have not read about achromatic pairs of glass being used in prisms, as with lenses - perhaps because there is no curvature.
The "100%" reflection is a massive point in favour of using prisms as reflectors in binoculars (at least four reflections are involved) but I notice that dielectric reflectors are very popular for Star Diagonal Reflectors which can be placed on the axis of an astronomical telescope to allow the image to be viewed from the side. Only one prism and one face involved so perhaps CA could be relevant here.
Edit PS, when prisms are used in periscopes (especially long ones) the angular range of the light is very small so they would be the reflector of choice.
 
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