Why does electromagnetic induction occur

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction, specifically exploring why it occurs only when a conductor cuts through magnetic field lines. Participants examine various aspects of this concept, including theoretical explanations and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that electromagnetic induction occurs when a conductor moves relative to a magnetic field, cutting through lines of force, which is necessary to produce a driving electromotive force (emf).
  • Others argue that the magnetic force on charges in the conductor depends on their velocity and the orientation of the magnetic field, requiring components to be perpendicular for induction to occur.
  • A participant questions the source of electrical energy in cases of induced current when the conductor is stationary, highlighting the need for movement to generate emf.
  • Some participants note that the strength of the induced current is influenced by factors such as the speed of movement, the number of turns in the coil, and the strength of the magnet.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between induced voltage and current, with some emphasizing that voltage (emf) is what is primarily affected by the conditions of induction, while current depends on circuit impedance.
  • A later reply elaborates on the relationship between inductance and load impedance, suggesting that under certain conditions, increases in speed may not significantly affect current or voltage in a circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms of electromagnetic induction, with no consensus reached on the underlying reasons for the phenomenon or the implications of different conditions affecting induction.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the behavior of magnetic fields and electric currents, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the relationship between speed, voltage, and current in circuits.

tor2006
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I know the field of electromagnetism is not yet fully clarified but I wonder if there is an idea,theory Why does electromagnetic induction occur only when the conductor cuts the magnetic field lines.
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tor2006 said:
I know the field of electromagnetism is not yet fully clarified
Classical electromagnetism is perfectly well understood in terms of Maxwell's equations. These are over 150 years old.

tor2006 said:
Why does electromagnetic induction occur only when the conductor cuts the magnetic field lines.
The magnetic force on a charge depends on its sign, velocity, and the magnetic field it moves through. The force on an individual charge will be perpendicular to both the magnetic field and the direction of motion of the conductor. In order for there to be a driving force in the conductor's direction, both the velocity and the magnetic field must have components perpendicular to the conductor's direction and cannot be parallel. As a result, the conductor will need to cut the magnetic field lines to produce a driving emf.
 
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tor2006 said:
Why does electromagnetic induction occur only when the conductor cuts the magnetic field lines.
Using your figure as an example, where would the electrical energy come from if there were found to be induced current and voltage in even the stationary case?
 
tor2006 said:
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I know the field of electromagnetism is not yet fully clarified but I wonder if there is an idea,theory Why does electromagnetic induction occur only when the conductor cuts the magnetic field lines. View attachment 212528
It occurs whenever a magnetic field and an electric conductor move relative to one another so the conductor crosses lines of force in the magnetic field. The current produced by electromagnetic induction is greater when the magnet or coil moves faster, the coil has more turns, or the magnet is stronger.
 
tor2006 said:
Greeting

I know the field of electromagnetism is not yet fully clarified but I wonder if there is an idea,theory Why does electromagnetic induction occur only when the conductor cuts the magnetic field lines. View attachment 212528
People have said what happens but not why.
It is an interesting question, because stationary electrons are not attracted by a magnet.
But Maxwell says that a changing magnetic field creates an electric field. This creates an EMF across the ends of the wire, and so moves electrons which form the current.
It does this because it does this!
 
adaliadella said:
The current produced by electromagnetic induction is greater when the magnet or coil moves faster, the coil has more turns, or the magnet is stronger.
Usually I am not pedantic, but EM induction induces a voltage (emf precisely) in the conductor. So it's the voltage that is greater when, as you said, the magnet or coil moves faster, the coil has more turns, or the magnet is stronger (irrespective of the circuit resistance).

Current simply depends on the impedance of the circuit.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Usually I am not pedantic, but EM induction induces a voltage (emf precisely) in the conductor. So it's the voltage that is greater when, as you said, the magnet or coil moves faster, the coil has more turns, or the magnet is stronger (irrespective of the circuit resistance).

Current simply depends on the impedance of the circuit.
Splitting hairs. When a time varying magnetic field is present, current & voltage are both induced. Regarding impedance of the circuit, we must include the inductance of the loop. If the inductive reactance exceeds load impedance, the load current & voltage remain near constant despite speed increasing.
Bicycle generators use this principle. Generator wound so that stator inductance is large. As pedal speed increases, headlight gets brighter. But frequency increases with speed, & stator reactance increases. Once stator reactance Xs, exceeds loiad resistance Rl, increases in pedal speed have little effect on headlight brightness. Generator is in constant current mode. Increasing speed produces increased frequency, which increases voltage dropped across Xs, resulting in c onstant current & voltage in headlight.
cnh1995 said:
Usually I am not pedantic, but EM induction induces a voltage (emf precisely) in the conductor. So it's the voltage that is greater when, as you said, the magnet or coil moves faster, the coil has more turns, or the magnet is stronger (irrespective of the circuit resistance).

Current simply depends on the impedance of the circuit.
 

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