Why does Hooke's law not work here?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 1200-kg car that strikes a coiled spring, with the objective of determining the spring stiffness constant. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to forces, energy conservation, and Hooke's law.

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  • Participants explore the use of kinematic equations to find average acceleration and force, and then apply Hooke's law to determine the spring constant. There is a discussion about the appropriateness of using average force in this context.

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Some participants have pointed out that the method involving average acceleration may not be valid due to the non-constant nature of the force exerted by the spring. Others suggest that energy conservation principles should be applied instead, indicating a shift towards a more suitable approach.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the distinction between average force and the instantaneous force described by Hooke's law, which is relevant to the problem's setup. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved during the car's deceleration.

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Homework Statement


  1. A 1200-kg car moving on a horizontal surface has speed v = 85 kmh when it strikes a horizontal coiled spring and is brought to rest in a distance of 2.2 m. What is the spring stiffness constant of the spring?

Homework Equations


F=-kx
KE=(1/2)mv^2
PE(spring)=(1/2)kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to find the average acceleration to slow the car from 85kmh to 0. I used the formula vfinal^2=vinitial^2 + 2ax, where velocity initial is 23.6m/s and x is 2.2m. This gave me an acceleration of -126m/s^2. Then I multiplied the acceleration by the mass to find the average force. This gave me -151200N. Then, I plugged that into Hooke's law with x being 2.2m. This gave the spring constant being 69000N/m.

However, I am supposed to use the conservation of energy principle where KE=PE. This gives the correct answer. Why does my method not work?
 
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MightyDogg said:

Homework Statement


  1. A 1200-kg car moving on a horizontal surface has speed v = 85 kmh when it strikes a horizontal coiled spring and is brought to rest in a distance of 2.2 m. What is the spring stiffness constant of the spring?

Homework Equations


F=-kx
KE=(1/2)mv^2
PE(spring)=(1/2)kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to find the average acceleration to slow the car from 85kmh to 0. I used the formula vfinal^2=vinitial^2 + 2ax, where velocity initial is 23.6m/s and x is 2.2m. This gave me an acceleration of -126m/s^2. Then I multiplied the acceleration by the mass to find the average force. This gave me -151200N. Then, I plugged that into Hooke's law with x being 2.2m. This gave the spring constant being 69000N/m.

However, I am supposed to use the conservation of energy principle where KE=PE. This gives the correct answer. Why does my method not work?

I does not work because the acceleration is not constant. Hook's Law works, but not your expression ##v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2ax##.
 
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MightyDogg said:
Then I multiplied the acceleration by the mass to find the average force. This gave me -151200N. Then, I plugged that into Hooke's law with x being 2.2m. This gave the spring constant being 69000N/m.

By Hooke's law I assume you mean ##F=kx## where ##F## is the magnitude of the force and ##x## is the distance?

In that formula ##F## is not the average force. It's the magnitude of the force when the spring is stretched (or compressed) a distance ##x##.

If the force were constant, that would work, but the force is not constant. You could integrate the force, or use energy concepts.
 
Oh, okay it makes sense now. Thank you both very much.
 

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