Why Does Maximum Water Velocity Occur at the Surface?

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The discussion revolves around the velocity profile of water across its depth, specifically addressing why maximum velocity occurs at the surface. Participants explore concepts related to fluid dynamics, particularly the effects of shear stress and viscous friction on water movement.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to understand the relationship between shear stress and velocity, questioning how friction affects water movement at different depths. Some express confusion about the nature of shear stress at the surface versus the bottom.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the concepts of shear stress and velocity gradients. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between these factors, but no consensus has been reached on specific interpretations or graphical representations.

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There are references to specific equations and concepts from fluid dynamics, such as the Hagen-Poiseuille law and Newton's law of viscosity, which are being discussed in relation to the problem. Participants express uncertainty about applying these concepts to the current context.

  • #31
Chestermiller said:
In the Wiki article on viscous laminar flow in a tube, they do an axial force balance on the shell of fluid between radial locations r and r+Δr. An easier way to analyze the problem is to do an axial force balance on the plug of fluid between r = 0 and arbitrary radial location r:
$$\pi r^2\Delta p+2\pi r L\tau_{rz}(r)=0$$where ##\Delta p## is the pressure drop between the inlet and outlet of the the section of pipe under consideration, L is the axial length of the section of pipe, and ##\tau_{rz}(r)## is the shear stress the radial surface of the plug (i.e., at constant r in the z direction). From this equation, we get that:
$$\tau_{rz}=-\frac{\Delta p}{2L}r$$
This tells us that, for steady flow in a pipe, the shear stress varies linearly with radial distance from the axis.

Where do you get this equation actually ?
 
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  • #32
fonseh said:
Where do you get this equation actually ?
It's just a force balance (you remember, like in freshman physics). Please show us what you think the free body diagram looks like.
 
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  • #33
Chestermiller said:
It's just a force balance (you remember, like in freshman physics). Please show us what you think the free body diagram looks like.
i know that A = pi(r^2) , so dA = 2pi(r)dr , so in $$\pi r^2\Delta p+2\pi r L\tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ , why there is L ? shouldn't it $$= 2\pi r \tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ only ?
 
  • #34
fonseh said:
i know that A = pi(r^2) , so dA = 2pi(r)dr , so in $$\pi r^2\Delta p+2\pi r L\tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ , why there is L ? shouldn't it $$= 2\pi r \tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ only ?
There are pressure forces on the two ends that have to be balanced by the viscous frictional (tangential) force.
 
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  • #35
fonseh said:
i know that A = pi(r^2) , so dA = 2pi(r)dr , so in $$\pi r^2\Delta p+2\pi r L\tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ , why there is L ? shouldn't it $$= 2\pi r \tau_{rz}(r)=0$$ only ?
There are pressure forces on the two ends that have to be balanced by the viscous frictional (tangential) force.
 
  • #36
Chestermiller said:
There are pressure forces on the two ends that have to be balanced by the viscous frictional (tangential) force.
Can you explain further how to get 2\pi r L\tau_{rz}(r) ??
 
  • #37
Chestermiller said:
There are pressure forces on the two ends that have to be balanced by the viscous frictional (tangential) force.
why there is L ?
 
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