Why Does Static Friction Cause Torque in a Rolling Ball?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a solid metal ball of mass M and radius R rolling without slipping down an incline, with a focus on understanding the role of static friction and its contribution to torque.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of friction in the context of rolling motion and question whether it can be ignored when calculating torque. There is an exploration of the definition of torque and its relationship with static friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the role of static friction in the torque calculation and exploring the implications of rolling without slipping. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions involved, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of friction's role.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and assumptions related to torque and friction, particularly in the context of rolling motion versus sliding motion.

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Homework Statement



a solid metal ball of mass M and radius R is rolling without slipping down and incline. A static friction force of magnitude f is acting on the ball. What is the magnitude of the torque due to static friction?
a.) zero b.) rfcos theta c.) rfsin theta d.)Rf e. MRF

Homework Equations



ki+ui=kf=uf (conservation of energy)

The Attempt at a Solution


since the ball is rolling without slipping, why is there friction involved? do we just simply ignore friction, so the answer will just be the definition of torque: rfsin theta ?
 
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raisatantuico said:
since the ball is rolling without slipping, why is there friction involved?
Without friction, the ball would slide not roll.
do we just simply ignore friction, so the answer will just be the definition of torque: rfsin theta ?
No, you cannot ignore friction. (And how is that answer ignoring friction anyway? It includes f!)
 
Doc Al said:
Without friction, the ball would slide not roll.

No, you cannot ignore friction. (And how is that answer ignoring friction anyway? It includes f!)

f in the equation is force. torque= radius x force sin theta. net torque is also equal to angular acceleration x moment of inertia

where does friction come in this definition of torque?
 
Here 'f' is the friction force. (What direction does friction act? What angle does it make with the radius?)
 

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