Why Does Strumming Force Not Alter the Pitch of a Guitar String?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the force applied when strumming a guitar string and its effect on the pitch of the note produced. Participants explore the mechanics of string tension, wave speed, and the nature of sound production in guitar strings, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains the relationship between tension, displacement, and frequency using the equations of motion for guitar strings, suggesting that the force applied does not change the frequency but affects amplitude.
  • Another participant notes that for large displacements, the tension does change enough to affect the wave speed, implying that under certain conditions, the pitch may shift.
  • A third participant emphasizes the difference between a non-stretched spring and a guitar string that is already under tension, arguing that the initial tension is crucial for tone production.
  • A later reply asserts that there is indeed a slight frequency shift when plucking hard on a stringed instrument, challenging the earlier claims about the constancy of frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which strumming force affects frequency, with some asserting that it does not change the pitch while others suggest that it can lead to a slight frequency shift. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of force on pitch.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about string behavior under tension and the conditions under which frequency changes occur are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification on the mechanics involved.

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Guitar strings behave like a spring when tuned:

F = k.x is the tension in the string, where k is the contant of the string and x the displacement (when tuned). So by the equation :

[itex]v = \sqrt{ F/u}[/itex]

where u is the linear density of the string.[itex]v = \lambda.f -> f = \sqrt{ F/u}/\lambda[/itex]

The first string of a guitar is E and has a frequency f1, when tuned, that is proportional to the square root of the string tension.

But when we play the first string weakly, we seem to hear the same E note (sure, more weak) and when we play strongly, we seem to hear this same E stronger. So the force we apply in the string does not seem to change the frequency, only the amplitude. But in a spring, when we make a vertical displacement

[PLAIN]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6427/sgfhdf.jpg

The tension do change

So why don't we have a change in the frequency?
 
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Even for quite large displacements, the string tension doesn't change enough to affect the wave speed significantly. Indeed, constant tension is one of the assumptions we make when deriving the wave speed formula you've quoted. The derivation involves the transverse acceleration of the string due to transverse components of the tension which arise when the string is displaced.

For very large displacements, you're absolutely right: the note will change. It will also be far from pure!
 
That's the right answer, but just to make it perfectly clear, there's a big difference between a spring that is not stretched, for which plucking causes all the stretching, versus a spring that is already stretched when you pluck it. The guitar string is the latter case, so that plucking really doesn't increase the already significant tension. Indeed, you know that when you "tune" the guitar, you do so by altering the initial tension, so that's what is key in producing the tone.
 
jaumzaum said:
The tension do change

So why don't we have a change in the frequency?

Actually you do hear a slight frequency shift when you pluck hard on a stringed instrument.
 

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