Frequency of Wave on a Guitar String HW

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the tension in a guitar string and the frequency it produces. The original poster presents a problem involving a small change in tension and seeks to derive the new frequency using calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking derivatives of frequency equations and how to incorporate small changes in tension into their calculations. There are questions about the application of derivatives and Taylor's expansion in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and asking for clarification on the original poster's attempts. There is an exploration of different mathematical approaches, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to derive the new frequency.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of calculus and are encouraged to show their work in detail. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between frequency and tension, as well as the implications of small changes in tension.

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Homework Statement


When a guitar string is stretched to have a tension T, it produces a frequency f. You change the tension by a very small amount ∆T . Show that the new frequency of the guitar string is

fnew = f ( 1 + (delta T)/2T)

For example, a guitar string has tension T = 10N and produces f = 1000Hz. If you changed the tension by ∆T = 0.01N, what would the new frequency be? Hint: You need calculus for this. Find an expression for f in terms of T. Then take the derivative of f with respect to T.

Homework Equations


fnew = f ( 1 + (delta T)/2T)

(wavelength)(frequency) = √T/μ

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried taking the derivative of f =(1/wavelength)(√T/μ), but I can't seem to get back to the equation the question acts me to get back to. What am I doing wrong? [/B]
 
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Hi slw12,

Welcome to Physics Forums.

Can you show us the details of what you've tried? (PF rules). Hint: you may want to use an expression for T in terms of the original frequency f as a substitution along the way.
 
slw12 said:
I have tried taking the derivative
So what did you get?

The other equation you need is the standard one relating a derivative to the consequences of small changes in the independent variable (Δf, f, Δx, f'.)
 
I have taken the derivative of the 2nd equation above and I got df/dt = (1/(λ*√μ)(1/√T). But I don't know how to get ΔT into the equation
 
slw12 said:
df/dt = (1/(λ*√μ)(1/√T).
Not quite right. What is the derivative of xn wrt x?
slw12 said:
how to get ΔT into the equation
Did my hint not help? f(x+Δx)≈ f(x)+ ...?
 
haruspex said:
Not quite right. What is the derivative of xn wrt x?

Did my hint not help? f(x+Δx)≈ f(x)+ ...?

Would it be f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δy?
If that's right, how would I get ΔT/2T as Δy?
 
slw12 said:
Would it be f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δy?
You are not familiar with Taylor's expansion?
f(x +Δx) = f(x) + Δxf'(x)+ ...
Look it up.
 

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