Why Does Sunlight Warm My Skin?

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms of heat transfer from sunlight to human skin, exploring the role of photons, their energy, and the effects of different wavelengths of light. Participants examine concepts related to absorption, temperature, and the implications of various types of radiation, including infrared and ultraviolet light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how heat is transferred when photons hit the skin and whether the increase in temperature is due to the absorption of photons by skin atoms, which increases their kinetic energy.
  • Another participant confirms that the absorption of photons by skin atoms contributes to the sensation of warmth and notes the relationship between photon frequency and energy.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the energy of a photon is determined by its frequency (E=hv) rather than its kinetic energy and questions the use of infrared light for heating compared to shorter wavelengths.
  • Discussion includes the observation that the atmosphere absorbs little direct radiation from the sun, with most energy being absorbed by the ground and then radiated to the atmosphere.
  • Some participants discuss the effectiveness of different wavelengths, noting that deep infrared wavelengths are absorbed more readily due to vibrational and rotational energy bands.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of high-energy photons that can ionize atoms, questioning whether this process still contributes to heating and discussing potential biological consequences.
  • One participant points out the temperature differences in high-altitude regions like Tibet, questioning the logic behind the heating process described earlier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of heat transfer from sunlight to skin, with no consensus reached on specific aspects such as the effectiveness of different wavelengths or the implications of high-energy photons. Multiple competing views remain regarding the relationship between photon energy, absorption, and temperature effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the absorption characteristics of different wavelengths and the dynamics of atmospheric interactions, which remain unresolved.

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how is heat transferred ...?

I could not give myself satisfying explanation for this:

When a photon(s) hit my skin (from sun) why do i feel warmth? Simplier, why does sunlight warms my skin?

I know that photon warms atmosphere when it gets absorbed by atom/molecule. This absorption must increase kinetic energy of that elements. (thats how temperature is defined).

Is this how it happens on my skin? The photon increases vib/rot energy of my atoms?

To ask more explicitly: It is not the kinetic energy of photon that matters, but the frequency, right?

If some one has some clear explanation how photons warm my skin, i would be glad to get educated.

thanx
 
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You are correct in that the absorption of the photon by atoms in your skin is what makes your skin feel warmer. As for energy vs. frequency; they are itnerdependant in photons. Higher-frequency photons are more energetic, and therefore transfer more energy to the skin when absorbed.
 
Thank you for answer,
To make sure: its not kinetic energy of the photon that determines how energetic the photon gets, right. Its E=hv , that's determines the amount of heat delivered?

But why do we use infrared to heat stuff up, and not shorter wavelength light?

And one subquestion; if a photon is too energetic so it knocks electrons out of the atom, is it still heating the atom?
 
Just a side point -- the atmosphere gets very little heat directly from the sun. Most of the energy is absorbed by the ground/water/trees/etc -- then radiated to the atmosphere at lower wavelengths where it can be absorbed by the atmosheric contents. This is one of the reasons mountains are colder --
 
sneez said:
But why do we use infrared to heat stuff up, and not shorter wavelength light?
The next shorter section of the spectrum is visible light - you'd be blinded if you looked at your space heater.

The sun heats you up with ir, visible, and uv.
 
deep IR wavelengths are more readily absorbed across a broad spectrum due to vibrational and rotational energy bands.

The energy in a single photon is hv, but the total energy in light is hv*# of photons

wxrocks:
You said the atmosphere absorbs little radiation, and the Earth is heated by the ground instead (which is heated by sunlight), then why are large plateau basins like Tibet not as hot as lower elevations,... There is a problem with that logic...
 
deep IR wavelengths are more readily absorbed across a broad spectrum due to vibrational and rotational energy bands.
So on sunny day, is it the IR wavelengths or the vis/uv wavelengths that make me feel warm? [i know IR wavelegnths from sun is very little of the total output].


wxrocks:
You said the atmosphere absorbs little radiation, and the Earth is heated by the ground instead (which is heated by sunlight), then why are large plateau basins like Tibet not as hot as lower elevations,... There is a problem with that logic...
Im not sure why large plateau of tibet are not as hot as lower elevations. It might be due to partly due to reflection and part due to dynamics of atmosphere. But indeed, from temperature profile of Earth we see that the hottest spot on Earth is ground. (neglecting very high altitudes of 200km and higher, where temp is hard to define due to low density). This means that most of the solar rad reaches the ground.
 
quinn said:
wxrocks:
You said the atmosphere absorbs little radiation, and the Earth is heated by the ground instead (which is heated by sunlight), then why are large plateau basins like Tibet not as hot as lower elevations,... There is a problem with that logic...

I was offering a simple supplemental explanation to the original question. Of course there are atmospheric dynamics as well -- Being higher up -- the density goes down and thus the chances of a IR photon being absorbed by a molecule goes down. Also, the heat from below rising expands as it rises, thus cooling as well.
 
sneez said:
And one subquestion; if a photon is too energetic so it knocks electrons out of the atom, is it still heating the atom?

This is a bad thing. That ionised atom (or molecule) will likely form a chemical bond with whatever next thing it encounters, and the product is not likely to be beneficial to the living cell. Especially if it was originally supposed to have been part of a DNA molecule, say the part that tells the cell when not to divide. Hence, to avoid sunburn and skin cancer, we endeavor to limit UV exposure.
 
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great thread
 

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