Why does superfluid helium in a spinning bucket have angular momentum?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of angular momentum in superfluid helium-4 when contained in a spinning bucket. Participants explore the mechanisms by which the superfluid acquires angular momentum, particularly in the absence of friction between the fluid and the bucket, and the implications of vortex formation within the fluid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when a bucket filled with superfluid helium-4 is spun, it develops irrotational vortex lines that carry quanta of angular momentum.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of friction for angular momentum to be present in a superfluid, suggesting that angular momentum can exist without it.
  • A different participant draws an analogy between the behavior of water in a spinning bucket and superfluid helium, emphasizing the role of viscous forces in imparting angular momentum to the fluid.
  • One participant explains that the superfluid consists of both a superfluid component and a normal component, with the normal component gaining angular momentum due to friction with the bucket, leading to vortex formation.
  • A participant requests evidence for the phenomenon, expressing interest in the topic.
  • Another participant describes the quantization of circulation in the superfluid, linking it to the variation of the phase of the wave function and noting that the superfluid can decouple from the normal fluid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of friction in the transfer of angular momentum to the superfluid, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of the interactions leading to vortex formation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the distinction between the superfluid and normal components, indicating that the dynamics may depend on the specific conditions and definitions used in the discussion.

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Suppose you have a bucket filled with superfluid Helium-4 and you spin it with a large angular velocity Ω, the bucket obviously has angular momentum.

Spinning fast enough, the fluid develops irrotational vortex lines which carry quanta of angular momentum, while leaving the curl of the ∇xv 0, as it should be (with v the microscopic velocity field).

My question is, supposing you start with the bucket at rest, it's obvious that the fluid has no angular momentum, but considering the fact there is no friction between the bucket and the fluid, how does the superfluid get the angular momentum needed to produce vortex lines?
 
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I may be missing something, but since when has the presence of friction been necessary for angular momentum to be present in a body, even one composed of a superfluid?
 
He's asking how does spinning the bucket impart angular momentum to the fluid. If you spin a bucket containing water it is the prescence of viscous /frictional forces that result in the water gaining angular momentum. Is there an analogous situation between the events in the water filled bucket and the superfluid filled bucket?
 
The superfluid consists of a superfluid component as well as a normal component. The normal component starts to rotate because it has nonzero viscocity and nonzero friction against the bucket wall. Then the interaction between the normal component and the superfluid component causes the vortices to appear.
 
I'm an undergrad in physics so don't think I'm a surprised expert. Could you show me the evidence for this phenomenon? It seems pretty interesting...
 
When you calculate the circulation of the momentum around a closed loop, you can show that it is equal to the variation of the phase of the wave function along the loop. Moreover, only the coherent part of the fluid can contribute to this circulation. Since the loop is closed, this implies that this variation is a multiple of 2π. As a result, the circulation of the coherent part of the fluid is quantized. This is by definition the superfluid. The superfluid can totally decouple from the normal fluid.

Find more details about this in this preprint,

http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.5472

Or if you have access to APS journals, the published version of this article is Phys. Rev. B 90, 134503 (2014).

http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.90.134503
 
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