Why Does Tension Vary on Different Sides of an Accelerating Pulley?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tension in ropes connected to a pulley, particularly in the context of a frictionless, massless pulley that is undergoing rotational acceleration. Participants are exploring the implications of rotational inertia and how it affects tension on either side of the pulley.

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  • Participants are questioning the assumption that tension is uniform in a massless, frictionless pulley when it is accelerated rotationally. There is a focus on understanding the conditions under which different tensions may arise and the role of torque in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying concepts related to tension and torque. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which tensions may differ, particularly emphasizing the importance of the pulley's characteristics. However, there is no explicit consensus on the implications of these concepts.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of pulley mechanics, including the effects of mass and friction on tension. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider various scenarios, such as off-center pulleys, which may lead to different tensions despite equal torques.

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Sometimes when I see pulley and rope questions people will say "for a non-extensible rope the tension is uniform throughout the rope". But I am now learning pulleys and rotational inertia and it seems to be necessary to consider the rope on either side of a pulley to have _different_ tension if the pulley is being accelerated rotationally.

Why would this different tension not apply to a frictionless massless pulley that is being accelerated rotationally?

For example, here we see the rope have different tension on each side of the pulley:

 
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johnschmidt said:
Why would this different tension not apply to a frictionless massless pulley that is being accelerated rotationally?
The key word is massless. A massless pulley requires no net torque to rotationally accelerate, thus the tension must be the same on each side. (Actually, frictionless is important too! If there were friction, you'd need a net torque to overcome it.)
 
To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?
 
johnschmidt said:
To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?
Yes.
 
johnschmidt said:
To be clear, the different torques are used when the pulley requires torque, but NOT simply because the pulley accelerates rotationally, correct?

I meant different TENSIONS, of course, not different torques.

Thanks haruspex!
 
johnschmidt said:
I meant different TENSIONS, of course, not different torques.

Thanks haruspex!
Actually, it can happen that torques are the same but the tensions are different. The pulley's axis could be off-centre.
 

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