Why does the IEEE recommend using ac and dc instead of AC and DC?

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The discussion revolves around the IEEE's recommendation to use "ac" and "dc" instead of the more commonly seen "AC" and "DC" for alternating and direct current. Participants explore the implications of this recommendation, its rationale, and the conventions surrounding the capitalization of these terms in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at the IEEE's recommendation for "ac" and "dc," noting that capitalized forms seem more logical as acronyms.
  • There is a shared concern that using lower-case forms may confuse readers who are accustomed to the capitalized versions.
  • One participant mentions a personal convention of using capitalized forms when the terms stand alone, but lower-case when modifying quantities (e.g., Vdc, Vac).
  • Another participant notes a convention where "ac" is lower case and "dc" is upper case, but acknowledges that this is not universally accepted.
  • Some participants question the rationale behind the IEEE's preference for lower-case, suggesting that it may be due to the terms becoming more noun-like rather than strictly acronyms.
  • Concerns are raised about the inconsistency in the IEEE's recommendations, particularly regarding the use of "var" for reactive power versus "VA" for real power.
  • A humorous remark is made about the pronunciation of "ac" and "dc," with one participant joking about potential influences from Slavic languages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the IEEE's recommendation is surprising and potentially confusing, but there is no consensus on the rationale behind it or the appropriateness of using lower-case forms. Multiple competing views on capitalization conventions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the IEEE's specific recommendations, noting a lack of clear reasoning provided in their documentation. The discussion highlights the variability in conventions and personal preferences regarding the use of "ac" and "dc" versus "AC" and "DC."

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I was a little surprised to find out that the IEEE recommends using "ac" and "dc" for alternating/direct current rather than "AC" and "DC." (Google "Recommended Unit Symbols, SI Prefixes, and Abbreviations - IEEE")

Apparently non-capitalized is the "correct" way but I've mostly seen them capitalized. Capitalized seems to make more sense since they're acronyms... Does anyone know why they're not supposed to be capitalized?

Also, my main question: are "ac" and "dc" really preferred in cases where I can choose either way? (I'm not submitting to IEEE) From my experience, most people seem to use the upper-case acronyms, and I suspect most people will be thrown off by the lower-case acronyms even if they're technically correct.
 
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I agree w/ you that lower case will likely be off-putting to most people. Even laymen are used to seeing those terms and seeing them capitalized. I can't imagine why the IEEE would even SUGGEST using lower case, much less actually recommend it.
 
thegreenlaser said:
I was a little surprised to find out that the IEEE recommends using "ac" and "dc" for alternating/direct current rather than "AC" and "DC." (Google "Recommended Unit Symbols, SI Prefixes, and Abbreviations - IEEE")

Apparently non-capitalized is the "correct" way but I've mostly seen them capitalized. Capitalized seems to make more sense since they're acronyms... Does anyone know why they're not supposed to be capitalized?

Also, my main question: are "ac" and "dc" really preferred in cases where I can choose either way? (I'm not submitting to IEEE) From my experience, most people seem to use the upper-case acronyms, and I suspect most people will be thrown off by the lower-case acronyms even if they're technically correct.

I usually capitalize them when using them alone, to make them more obvious visually. When appending them to modify a quantity, I usually use lower case, like with Vdc, Vac, Vrms. Of course, I don't set the standards... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
I usually capitalize them when using them alone, to make them more obvious visually. When appending them to modify a quantity, I usually use lower case, like with Vdc, Vac, Vrms. Of course, I don't set the standards... :smile:

I agree w/ that but as attachments (subsidiarly elements) in a term, that's a different story than when they are stand-alone.
 
There's a sort of convention that ac stuff is designated with lower case, dc stuff with upper case, like: 208v 3-phase power; 12V car battery. I don't think it's exactly cast in concrete or anything. And the IEEE can recommend anything they want, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone will abide by it.
 
tfr000 said:
There's a sort of convention that ac stuff is designated with lower case, dc stuff with upper case, like: 208v 3-phase power; 12V car battery. I don't think it's exactly cast in concrete or anything. And the IEEE can recommend anything they want, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone will abide by it.

I've seen that convention used for variables, (e.g. i(t) and v(t) for time-varying current and voltage versus I and V for constant current and voltage) but I've never seen it used for units...

I know I'm not bound by IEEE recommendations, but I'm confused as to why they would so specifically go against the obvious choice (capitalization) if there's no good reason for it. Even their document says that "ac" and "dc" are an exception compared to other acronyms, but they don't explain why. If there is indeed a good reason then I'd probably prefer to follow the convention, but I can't seem to find what that reason is.

Also, I noticed that they recommend "var" for reactive power rather than "VAR" or "VAr," which seems inconsistent with using "VA" for real power... Again, I'm just confused why they go against what seems like the obvious choice to me.
 
I think the idea is that AC and DC are becoming more like nouns rather than an acronym. It's probably like using laser instead of LASER. LASER actually stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation".

It still doesn't make sense to use "ac" because I would read that as something like "ack" every time I saw it. I couldn't even pronounce "dc" but my Polish friends probably could. Maybe there are Slavic language speaking people taking over the IEEE? I'm kidding of course.
 
Okefenokee said:
I think the idea is that AC and DC are becoming more like nouns rather than an acronym. It's probably like using laser instead of LASER. LASER actually stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation".

It still doesn't make sense to use "ac" because I would read that as something like "ack" every time I saw it. I couldn't even pronounce "dc" but my Polish friends probably could. Maybe there are Slavic language speaking people taking over the IEEE? I'm kidding of course.

A bit of googling seems to confirm what you're saying; however, I agree that it still doesn't make much sense. I would think the fact that we say "ay see" rather than "ack" would solidify ac as an acronym rather than a word.
 

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