Why Does Wavelength Impact Passage Through a Hole?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the wavelength of light and its ability to pass through a hole, exploring the underlying principles of wave propagation in different materials and geometries. It also touches on the implications of this phenomenon for radio signal reception, particularly comparing AM and FM signals in specific environments like tunnels.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the wavelength of light must be longer or shorter than the hole diameter for effective passage, depending on the specific conditions.
  • One participant explains that the material of the hole and the medium affect the boundary conditions that must be satisfied for wave propagation.
  • It is suggested that for a perfect electrical conductor, specific field configurations must be supported when passing through a hole, with the longest wavelength being half the width of the hole.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that the peak-to-peak magnitude of the electric and magnetic vectors must correspond directly to the wavelength, suggesting that smaller or larger magnitudes could allow passage through smaller holes.
  • One participant emphasizes that it is the wavelength, not the amplitude of the waves, that determines propagation through a waveguide, as dictated by Maxwell's equations and boundary conditions.
  • There is mention of the cutoff frequency in microwave waveguides, where wavelengths longer than the transverse dimensions cannot propagate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between wavelength and the dimensions of the hole, with some asserting a direct correlation while others question this assumption. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these relationships and the implications for wave propagation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited by the specific materials and geometries involved, as well as the assumptions made about wave behavior in different contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, wave propagation, and engineering applications related to waveguides and signal transmission.

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Why does the wavelength of light have to be longer (or shorter?) than a hole diameter to pass through the hole?

Also, is this phenomenon the same reason AM radio signals cannot be picked up as well FM radio signals when driving under an overpass?
 
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It first depends on what materials are involved, the medium in the hole and the material that the hole is cut out in. The simplest case is to assume air and a perfect electrical conductor (PEC) respectively. Regardless of the material, it comes down to the boundary conditions, the properties of the fields that have to be satisfied along any interface. For a PEC, the tangential electric and normal magnetic field components must be zero on the surface and all field values are zero in the interior of the PEC. Taken into context the fact that the fields must satisfy the wave equations inside the hole, this requires that only specific field configurations can be supported when passing through the hole. If we have a square hole, then the longest wavelength possible is one-half the width of the hole. This allows the field to always be zero at both edges since the field must be sinusoidal in the cross-sectional plane of the hole. (the edges are a nodal point of the tangential electric field).

So when waves pass through a hole, the hole will only support specific modes. Waves that are not of a supported mode (or a combination of modes) will be attenuated as they pass through the hole. The attenuation is dependent upon the frequency and thickness of the hole. For most holes or tunnels, the lowest supported mode is on the order of a wavelength but it depends on the actual geometries and materials involved. All of this is discussed in the confines of waveguides. Your holes and tunnels and such can be approximated as waveguides and you look them up for further clarification.

But yes, this is why if you enter a tunnely you will receive FM radio and not AM radio. This is a common homework problem in engineering EM courses. Though nowadays some of the nicer tunnels will have repeaters in the tunnel to reradiate the nonpropagating radio signals of interest.
 
Thanks very much Born2bwire.

OK, so to make sure I understand: you are saying that the electric and magentic vectors of the wave must fit inside the confines of the hole, so that the peak-to-peak magnitude of the electric and magnetic vectors must be equal to or less than width of the hole. Is this correct?

If this is correct, then can you please tell me why we are assuming that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the wavelength and the peak-to-peak magnitude of the electric and magnetic vectors? I mean, what if the magnitude of the electric and magnetic vectors are much smaller than the wavelength (or much larger), then I would think the wave could pass (or not pass) through a hole that was smaller than 1/2 the wavelength.

Thanks very much,
tobjackson.

Born2bwire said:
It first depends on what materials are involved, the medium in the hole and the material that the hole is cut out in. The simplest case is to assume air and a perfect electrical conductor (PEC) respectively. Regardless of the material, it comes down to the boundary conditions, the properties of the fields that have to be satisfied along any interface. For a PEC, the tangential electric and normal magnetic field components must be zero on the surface and all field values are zero in the interior of the PEC. Taken into context the fact that the fields must satisfy the wave equations inside the hole, this requires that only specific field configurations can be supported when passing through the hole. If we have a square hole, then the longest wavelength possible is one-half the width of the hole. This allows the field to always be zero at both edges since the field must be sinusoidal in the cross-sectional plane of the hole. (the edges are a nodal point of the tangential electric field).

So when waves pass through a hole, the hole will only support specific modes. Waves that are not of a supported mode (or a combination of modes) will be attenuated as they pass through the hole. The attenuation is dependent upon the frequency and thickness of the hole. For most holes or tunnels, the lowest supported mode is on the order of a wavelength but it depends on the actual geometries and materials involved. All of this is discussed in the confines of waveguides. Your holes and tunnels and such can be approximated as waveguides and you look them up for further clarification.

But yes, this is why if you enter a tunnely you will receive FM radio and not AM radio. This is a common homework problem in engineering EM courses. Though nowadays some of the nicer tunnels will have repeaters in the tunnel to reradiate the nonpropagating radio signals of interest.
 
In microwave waveguides, when the wavelength of the signal frequency is below "cutoff" (when the wavelengh is longer that the transverse dimensions of the waveguide), the signal cannot propagate, and will be attenuated. See
http://www.k5rmg.org/calc/waveguide.html
and use the embedded Java calculator.
 
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The amplitude of the waves are immaterial, it is the wavelength that matters. The wave equation, derived from Maxwell's equations, and the boundary conditions caused by the waveguide will dictate that only certain field distributions can propagate. If we attempt to send a wave through that is not one of these propagating modes, then it will be attenuated as it travels through.

The magnitude of the electric and magnetic field vectors has no spatial correlation. They are not disturbances in space, they are simply the value of the fields at a point in space.
 
Thank you evryone for posting answers to my question. While I do not yet grasp the reason that wave propagation through a waveguide is restricted (among other restrictions) ) by the wavelength, I believe you have guided me so that I can pick it up from here and do some research to fully understand the reasons. Thanks very much.
 

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