Why Don't Intermolecular Forces Play a Significant Role in CO2 Molecules?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of intermolecular forces in carbon dioxide (CO2) molecules, particularly focusing on the roles of dipole-dipole interactions, quadrupole interactions, and London dispersion forces. Participants explore the implications of molecular geometry and charge distribution on these forces, comparing CO2 with other molecules like O2 and CSe2.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that CO2 has no net dipole moment due to its linear geometry, questioning why intermolecular forces from oxygen atoms of other CO2 molecules do not play a significant role.
  • Others point out that while CO2 can exhibit arrangements in solid form, it is still characterized primarily by Van der Waals forces, leading to questions about the presence of dipole-dipole forces.
  • A participant challenges the assertion that quadrupole-quadrupole interactions are negligible in CO2, suggesting that these forces may contribute to the intermolecular interactions.
  • There is a discussion about the relative strengths of quadrupole interactions compared to London dispersion forces, with some participants suggesting that quadrupole forces could be stronger due to the higher electronegativity difference in CO2.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential confusion between different types of van der Waals interactions, with a suggestion that the textbook may have oversimplified the discussion by only mentioning London dispersion forces.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the quantitative comparison of quadrupole and dispersion forces, indicating that explicit calculations would be necessary to clarify their relative strengths.
  • Some argue that while dispersion forces may be stronger overall, quadrupole forces still exist and could influence the properties of CO2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of quadrupole interactions in CO2 compared to London dispersion forces. Multiple competing views remain regarding the relative strengths and roles of these intermolecular forces.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of estimating the magnitudes of quadrupole interactions and their comparison to dispersion forces, as well as the potential for differing interpretations of intermolecular forces in various contexts.

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I understand that due to the geometry of the CO2 molecule it ends up have no net dipole moment. But why doesn't the central carbon atom experience intermolecular forces from the oxygen atoms of other CO2 molecules. What I mean is why can't CO2 form an arrangement where the dipole forces still play a role?
I have attached a drawing of what I think this would look like.
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That's more or less how the molecules are arranged in the solid carbon dioxide.
 
Then why is it said that CO2 molecules only have Van der Waals forces. If the molecules are arranged that way, doesn't it indicate the oresence of dipole dipole forces?
 
Who said that quadrupole quadrupole interactions aren't important in CO2?
 
This is what my textbook, Zumdahl Chemistry, says:
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It makes no mention of the quadrupole interactions and says the only forces present are London Dispersion.
 
Oversimplification.
 
So there are indeed quadrupole forces which make the intermolecular forces in CO2 stronger than a diatomic molecule like say O2?
 
Yes, although O2 has a weak permanent quadrupole moment, too. For these multipole moments to be absent completely, you need spherical particles like noble gas atoms.
 
How does O2 have a quadrupole moment?
 
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Why not? There is some negative charge accumulating in the bonding region and corresponding positive charge on the oxygens.

PS: Just looked it up. The quadrupole moment of oxygen is 14 times smaller than the one of CO2.
 
  • #11
How would the magnitude of the forces from quadrupole interactions compare with the dispersion forces? The quote from the book could still be true if the quadrupole interactions are much weaker than dispersion forces.
 
  • #12
My guess is that the author of that book confused "van der Waals interactions" (=*any* weak interaction, including residual forces between static multipoles) with "London dispersion force" (one of the many sources of weak interactions, between dynamic multipoles). CO2 certainly does have static quadrupole-quadrupole interactions. Exact quantitative sizes are very hard to estimate. Could be anything, and would need explicit calculation to compare with the dispersion forces. Such calculations can be done (with DFT-SAPT, for example), but are entirely trivial to set up.
 
  • #13
I don't thini it is so hard to estimate. The quadrupole moments and polarisability of CO2 is known from experiment which allows in principle to calculate the forces, or at very least, to estimate their relative size.
 
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Actually I wanted to ask just that. It seems as if the London forces are stronger than Quadrupole forces because CSe2 has a much higher boiling point than CO2. Although CO2 would likely experience a stronger quadrupole force because of the higher electronegativity difference.
 
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So are LDFs stronger than quadrupolemforces?
 
  • #16
UMath1 said:
Actually I wanted to ask just that. It seems as if the London forces are stronger than Quadrupole forces because CSe2 has a much higher boiling point than CO2. Although CO2 would likely experience a stronger quadrupole force because of the higher electronegativity difference.
Yes, but CSe2 has also a much higher polarisability than CO2. Hence, dispersion forces are also stronger than in the case of CO2.
 
  • #17
But it doesn't have a permanent polarity. While the dispersion forces are stronger, the quadrupole forces are weaker. So, dispersion forces play a bigger role than quadrupole forces?
 

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