Why is current defined as the rate of change of charge?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of electric current as the rate of change of charge, particularly in the context of capacitors and resistors. Participants explore theoretical implications and clarify concepts related to current flow in different circuit elements.

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  • One participant states that current is defined as the rate of change of charge per unit time, specifically in the context of capacitors.
  • Another participant challenges this view, suggesting that current is more generally the flow of charge per unit time, not limited to capacitors.
  • A participant uses the analogy of a hose filling a bucket to illustrate the difference between instantaneous charge and total charge, emphasizing the rate at which charge flows.
  • There is a discussion about defining current as the number of charges crossing a surface per unit time, applicable to various circuit elements including resistors.
  • One participant notes that in a resistor, the current in must equal the current out, indicating no accumulation of charge within the resistor.
  • Another participant mentions that a capacitor does not store net charge but separates charge at a low potential.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of current and its application to different circuit elements. There is no consensus on the interpretation of current in relation to capacitors and resistors, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Some participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between instantaneous charge flow and total charge, as well as the implications of charge accumulation in different circuit elements. The discussion reflects various interpretations and analogies that may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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Homework Statement:: This isn't a homework question but just a theoretical questions.

[mentor’s note: moved to a more appropriate forum for theoretical questions.]

I know that current is defined as the rate of change of charge per unit time.
i = dq/dt

This makes sense for a capacitor which stores charge. If we define the q as being the total charge stored on the capacitor, then sure, the rate of change of the total q stored on the capacitor will tell you how much current the capacitor is receiving.

However, in this case of a resistor, this confuses me. A resistor does not store charge. If I have a DC voltage source connected across a resistor, the resistor technically should be receiving the same amount of charge for all time, hence the rate of change of charge dq/dt will always be 0, thus, i = dq/dt = 0. Does this mean that the resistor is receiving 0 current?

Where is the flaw in my understanding? I think I might be confusing instantaneous charge flowing versus total charge?
Relevant Equations:: i = dq/dt

V = IR

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CoolDude420 said:
Where is the flaw in my understanding? I think I might be confusing instantaneous charge flowing versus total charge?
You are. If you use a hose to fill a bucket with water, the bucket at any time will contain ##m## kilograms of water and the hose is filling it at the rate of ##\frac{dm}{dt}## kilograms per minute. If you are charging a capacitor (bucket) using a conducting wire (hose), the capacitor at any time will have ##Q## Coulombs of charge and the wire is charging it at the rate of ##\frac{dQ}{dt}## Coulombs per minute.
 
Please post in the regular forums when you have questions that are not homework or homework-like problems. Also, putting all of your text in the homework statement section makes it impossible to quote selected parts of it in a simple manner.

Where did you read that current is defined this way? It is not true. It is true, as you mentioned, for a capacitor (but then only for the charge on one of the plates - the total charge remains zero), but more generally current is the flow of charge per unit time.
 
Orodruin said:
Please post in the regular forums when you have questions that are not homework or homework-like problems. Also, putting all of your text in the homework statement section makes it impossible to quote selected parts of it in a simple manner.

Where did you read that current is defined this way? It is not true. It is true, as you mentioned, for a capacitor (but then only for the charge on one of the plates - the total charge remains zero), but more generally current is the flow of charge per unit time.

Sorry, I apologies for not posting correctly.

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It may be easier for you to think of current defined as charges crossing a surface. So current is the number of charges crossing per time unit. Like charge flux.

You can define some surface in the middle of that resistor and measure the rate of charges moving across that surface. Same definition with wires, inductors, capacitors, and the solar wind in space. Yes, the capacitor stores those charges, but it's the flow (flux) you are measuring, not what happens to them, or where they end up.

PS: Sorry, I was sloppy about flow vs. flux. Flow (current) is charges/sec across a defined area. Flux (current density) is charges/(sec⋅area) at any part of the surface. Similar concepts though.
 
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The charges are either going in or out of the capacitor through the only way in (or out). But with a resistance, there is one way in and one way out. Whatever goes in must come out such that ##i_{in} = i_{out}## or ##\frac{dq_{in}}{dt} = \frac{dq_{out}}{dt}##. So there is no accumulation of charge in the resistance.
 
As a circuit element, a capacitor does not store net "charge" It separates charge at a relatively low potential. (It has typically two wires and the what goes in comes out.)
 
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