Why is fluid velocity unaffected by a change of pipe roughness here?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between fluid velocity and pipe roughness in a single pipe scenario, particularly focusing on why changes in roughness do not appear to affect fluid velocity despite changes in pressure. Participants explore the implications of the continuity equation and the Darcy–Weisbach equation in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why fluid velocities remain unchanged when the roughness of a single pipe is altered, despite observing changes in pressure.
  • Another participant references the continuity equation (Q = V * A) to suggest that if flow rate (Q) and cross-sectional area (A) remain constant, then velocity (V) must also remain constant.
  • A different participant reflects on the complexity of the Darcy–Weisbach equation, noting that while it includes friction coefficients related to roughness, it seems to assume a stable velocity.
  • One participant proposes that in their simulations, the output flow rate is treated as a constant, which leads to a consistent velocity given the same cross-sectional area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of roughness on velocity, with no consensus reached on how roughness can be considered irrelevant to velocity in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential circular reasoning in their understanding of flow rate and velocity, indicating a need for further clarification on the assumptions underlying their discussions.

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I had no luck in the coursework forums though I guess the question becomes simpler if I state it the way I did here.

Assuming no complex network, or just a single pipe first feeding the network, why do the speeds in the pipe and even the rest of the network pipes remain unaffected if I change the roughness of that first pipe? The pressures do change.

I guess I need the basic answer which I'm sure is simple so I can then expand to a very rational explanation that will make me remember it because the way I think of it now, it's a bit unclear how roughness can keep velocities unaffected (in a non-part-of-a-branch, single pipe scenario).
 
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OK I got an answer from somewhere, but I still can't get it to hold still in my head.

The answer is basically that since Q = V * A then V remains the same since Q is the same (and A).

Now, how can I make that make sense when also thinking of roughness as irrelevant?

edit: Basically how can Q remain the same? hrm.. I'm probably trapped in a circular logic that is totally wrong but I'm not sure exactly how.
 
Now I'm thinking of Darcy–Weisbach et al. complex equations and I can't figure out how while they do include coefficients for friction/roughness, they just take velocity for granted as stable (if the above is true).
 
Ah, I think I got somewhere. In the simulations I was running, I guess whatever output is entered, "it must be supplied", hence Q is taken as a hard-constant no matter what hence V is satisfied to a constant based on that, provided same cross section.

Or at least that's how far I got.
 

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