Why is momentum conserved for non conservative system?

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The discussion centers on the conservation of momentum in non-conservative systems, particularly in the context of Landau's mechanics. Participants explore the differences between energy and momentum conservation, questioning the applicability of the principle of least action in scenarios involving non-conservative forces like friction.

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  • One participant questions why energy is not conserved in non-conservative systems while momentum is, seeking a proof based on Landau's formulation.
  • Another participant suggests that energy comes in different types, which may explain why it is not conserved in the same way as momentum.
  • A further inquiry is made into the reason behind the categorization of energy into different types, contrasting it with the singular nature of momentum.
  • One participant asserts that the distinction between energy types and momentum is based on their definitions.

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The discussion reflects multiple competing views regarding the conservation principles of energy and momentum, with no consensus reached on the underlying reasons for their differences.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the principle of least action in the presence of non-conservative forces, and the definitions of energy types versus momentum remain unresolved.

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I am reading Landau's mechanics. He proved that energy and momentum are conserved in an isolated system when we forget about non conservative systems.

But why is energy not conserved in non conservative system, but momentum is? What is the proof?

I know we can show that momentum conservation in non conservative systems, like inelastic collision, by Newton's third law. But if I really want to stick to Landau's formulation, where the principle of least action, not Newton's laws, is the First Principle, how do I explain that momentum is conserved in non conservative systems? Or is the principle of least action simply incapable of handling friction?
 
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AlonsoMcLaren said:
But why is energy not conserved in non conservative system, but momentum is?
Energy comes in different types, while momentum doesn't. For an isolated system total energy is conserved just like total momentum is. But the amount of a specific energy type isn't conserved, as energy is converted into other types.
 
A.T. said:
Energy comes in different types, while momentum doesn't. For an isolated system total energy is conserved just like total momentum is. But the amount of a specific energy type isn't conserved, as energy is converted into other types.
So why energy has different types and momentum does not?
 
AlonsoMcLaren said:
So why energy has different types and momentum does not?
Because that's how they were defined.
 

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