Why Is SO+(1,3) Decomposable and Connected?

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The discussion centers on the connectedness of the group of orthochronous proper Lorentz transformations, specifically the group SO+(1,3). Participants explore the implications of connectedness in the context of physical transformations, including boosts and rotations, and the significance of the identity transformation within the group.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the group is connected because only the connected subgroup is physically interesting, particularly those transformations that represent boosts.
  • Others argue that connectedness means any transformation can be continuously transformed into any other, emphasizing the importance of the identity transformation being part of the group.
  • A participant highlights that transformations which flip handedness or time direction cannot be continuously transformed into the identity, thus are not connected.
  • Another participant proposes a decomposition of any element in SO+(1,3) into a product of rotations and boosts, suggesting a structural reason for connectedness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of connectedness and the nature of transformations within the group. No consensus is reached regarding the significance of the decomposition or the physical interpretation of connectedness.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of connectedness and the physical relevance of certain transformations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the decomposition presented.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying group theory in physics, particularly in the context of Lorentz transformations and their applications in relativity.

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Why is the group of orthochronous proper Lorentz transformations connected?
 
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It isn't so much that the group is connected. It is that only the connected sub group is physically interesting.

The physically interesting parts of the group that represent boosts. A boost of 0 should physically give you the same frame, so we want the connected sub group which contains that feature. Otherwise a boost of 0 would do something weird like flip time.
 
N1k1tA said:
Why is the group of orthochronous proper Lorentz transformations connected?

Think about what "connected" means: heuristically, it means that any transformation in the group can be turned into any other by a continuous series of "moves". As DaleSpam said, physically, we want the identity (the transformation that does nothing) to be in the group, so we are interested in Lorentz transformations that can be turned into the identity by a continuous series of moves. For example, a boost can be turned into the identity by continuously changing its velocity ##v## down to zero. Or a rotation can be turned into the identity by continuously changing the rotation angle ##\theta## down to zero.

Contrast the above with, for example, a transformation that flips the handedness of the spatial axes, or flips the direction of time. There is no way to continuously change a transformation like that into the identity; somewhere along the line you have to do a discrete "flip" of the handedness of the spatial axes or the direction of time. So transformations like that are not connected to the identity. The "proper orthochronous" Lorentz transformations are then simply the ones that don't do either of those things: "proper" means the handedness of the spatial axes isn't flipped, and "orthochronous" means the direction of time isn't flipped.
 
N1k1tA said:
Why is the group of orthochronous proper Lorentz transformations connected?
Because, we can show that any [itex]g \in SO_{+}^{\uparrow} (1,3)[/itex] can be decomposed as [tex]g = \Lambda (R_{2}) \Lambda(L_{x}) \Lambda (R_{1}) ,[/tex] where [itex]\Lambda (R_{1})[/itex] and [itex]\Lambda (R_{2})[/itex] are spatial rotations and [itex]\Lambda (L_{x})[/itex] a Lorentz boost in the [itex]x^{1}[/itex] direction.
 

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