Why Is the Constant Speed of an Elevator Ignored in a Free Fall Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an elevator and a book dropped from it. The context includes analyzing the motion of the book as it falls 1.2 meters to the elevator floor while the elevator descends at a constant speed of 3.0 m/s. Participants are questioning the treatment of the elevator's constant speed in the calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of the elevator's constant speed in the context of free fall and question why it is ignored in the calculations. There is exploration of the relationship between the book and the elevator, particularly regarding their relative motion. Some participants are attempting to clarify the definitions of velocity and acceleration in this scenario.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the inertial frame of reference and the implications of free fall. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculations needed to determine the time and speed of the book upon hitting the elevator floor, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or final answers yet.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of constant speed and free fall, as well as the correct application of kinematic equations. There are indications of confusion regarding the initial velocity of the book and its relationship to the elevator's motion.

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While riding on an elevator descending with a constant speed of 3.0 m/s, you accidentally drop a book from under your arm.
How long does it take for the book to reach the elevator floor, 1.2 m below your arm?
What is the book’s speed when it hits the elevator floor?My question is why is 3.0 m/s in constant speed ignored in this question?

We are using the equation x = x0 + v0 + 1/2(a)(t2)

Why is that v0 is not plugged in? When 3.0 m/s is v0 (velocity).

Since velocity here is descending then the velocity in this question is -3.0 m/s correct?

also i am having problem solving part b in which i don't know where to begin
 
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Both the elevator floor and the book are within the same inertial frame of reference (both are moving at a constant speed in a straight line). You are interested in the relationship between them, not that with objects outside that frame.
Vo of the book relative to the floor is zero.
The sign that you give the velocity must agree with that for position and acceleration (if you call down positive, acceleration down is also positive).
Once you know the time for the book to fall 1.2 m, can you not calculate speed (or velocity) based on other constant acceleration equations?
 
Vo of the book relative to the floor is zero.

Is that because the book is in free fall meaning that only gravity is affecting it and that the book has no speed only acceleration which is gravity?

Free fall (free from any effects other then gravity so speed is one of the effects correct?)

For part (b) I keep getting 7.9 but the answer is 4.8
 
Remember to show units in your answers.

If you were inside the elevator, you would not be able to tell whether it was at rest, or moving up or down at a constant speed (assuming it's motion is smooth).

All motion of interest in this question is with respect to the inside of the elevator (the inertial frame), not the building.

In this case, you should completely ignore the velocity of the elevator. True, the velocity of the book when it hits the floor relative to the building is about 7.85 m/s, but the book will actually hit the floor of the elevator at approximately 4.85 m/s (relative to the floor). This is representative of how hard it will hit the elevator floor (7.85 m/s is not).

I get:
t = sqrt (2 * 1.2 / 9.8)
t = 0.495 s

v = a * t
v = 9.8 * 0.495
v = 4.85 m/s
 
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