Why Is the First Point of a Tube Design Crucial for Your Project?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the significance of the first three points in a tube design drawing, specifically why they lie on the same plane. Participants explore the implications of this design choice in the context of tubing and piping, with references to practical applications and design standards.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the first three points lying on the same plane may indicate no elevation change, although they have not seen this notation commonly used.
  • Another participant mentions that in their experience, similar designs are used for complex tube assemblies, where 3D coordinates indicate the location of bends, often accompanied by charts detailing bend radii and angles.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to standard engineering handbooks for more information on tubing design, with an assumption that the first point is the starting point of the tube and subsequent points represent intersections of bends.
  • One participant emphasizes the necessity of a starting point in tube design, explaining that it allows manufacturers to set up tools accurately based on the defined coordinates.
  • Another participant speculates that the alignment of the first three points on the same plane could be due to an obstruction, though this remains unverified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of the significance of the first three points, with no clear consensus on the reasons behind their alignment or the implications for design. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the drawing and its practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific design practices and standards, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or conditions that might influence the interpretation of the tube design.

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Hi,

I had received a tubing drawing from our customer.
When studied i found the first 3 points of the tube lie on the same plane.(attached image).
Can you please explain the reason for providing this?

Please suggest a website or book where I can get more information on tubing design.

Thanks
 

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ara_anandv said:
Hi,

I had received a tubing drawing from our customer.
When studied i found the first 3 points of the tube lie on the same plane.(attached image).
Can you please explain the reason for providing this?

Please suggest a website or book where I can get more information on tubing design.

Thanks

Although I've never seen a tubing or piping isometric drawing with that notation, I would presume it is to indicate that there is no elevation change.

CS
 
We do something very similar to this for complex tube assembly shapes on our engines. In our case, the 3D coordinate we use shows the location of bends. Usually we see an accompanying chart that lists bend radii and angles.
 
Why not just go to your Machinery's Handbook or if you have Marks' Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers that would be a start. Just viewing the Chart you supplied, the first point is the starting point of your tube while the following are the intersection points of the bends (just assuming from the chart).
 
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FredGarvin said:
We do something very similar to this for complex tube assembly shapes on our engines. In our case, the 3D coordinate we use shows the location of bends. Usually we see an accompanying chart that lists bend radii and angles.

Ah, that makes sense!

CS
 
Sorry for the incomplete information.
Yes the points given are the intersecting points of the bend.
In the drawing they have given the bend angle, radius and also the 3d bend angle.

Please explain regarding the first 3 points i.e. A, B, C.
They lie on the same plane.
Is there any specific reason behind this?

Thanks
 
ara_anandv said:
Sorry for the incomplete information.
Yes the points given are the intersecting points of the bend.
In the drawing they have given the bend angle, radius and also the 3d bend angle.

Please explain regarding the first 3 points i.e. A, B, C.
They lie on the same plane.
Is there any specific reason behind this?

Thanks

Probably due to an obstruction.

CS
 
When designing tubes and creating drawings there needs to be a starting point for the tube where everything begins. So, if you look at your tubing run end (doesn't matter which end) as the beginning of it's own universe where the center of the tube at that point has no value, the point would be: 0, 0, 0. everything measured from that end center point of tube then will have a value, hence the other values. I attached an example of another type of bend report but it assumes that the starting value is: 0, 0, 0.
The reason for this is so the tube manufacturer can set up their tools using the starting point given on the drawing. This probably is the easiest way to define a 3D object into 2D space by defining the start, each intersection point and the end point. Hope this helps.
 

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