Why is the magnetic field inside an ideal solenoid uniform

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The discussion revolves around the uniformity of the magnetic field inside an ideal solenoid, exploring the contributions of individual loops and the application of Ampere's Law. It encompasses theoretical reasoning and mathematical formulations related to electromagnetism.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the magnetic field inside the solenoid is the vector sum of the fields from each loop, questioning how this can result in a uniform field given that the field varies at different points in a single loop.
  • Another participant argues that a solenoid consists of an infinite number of loops, suggesting that the contributions from all loops lead to a uniform field at each point inside.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that even within each loop, the magnetic field strength varies depending on the location, such as at the center versus off-center points.
  • One participant proposes using Ampere's Law to demonstrate that the magnetic field is uniform due to the symmetry of a long coil, stating that the field strength is independent of the position within the coil.
  • The same participant elaborates on the differential form of Ampere's Law, indicating that the absence of current density inside the coil leads to a constant magnetic field strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the uniformity of the magnetic field inside the solenoid, with some emphasizing the contributions from individual loops and others supporting the uniformity through Ampere's Law. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of varying magnetic field strengths at different points within the loops.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the ideal solenoid, including the implications of infinite length and the neglect of edge effects. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the application of Ampere's Law.

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I understand that the magnetic field at points inside the solenoid is the vector sum of the B field due to each ring. How can the field inside be uniform then since if you consider just one loop in the solenoid the value of the B field is different at different points in that circle or loop.
 
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But a solenoid is not one loop right? Ideally its an infinitely long line of loops. At each point your B field is the sum of the contribution from each of the infinite number of loops.
 
ya but at different points in each of the loops let it be the center or a point that is off center, the B is different is it not?
 
Just use Ampere's Law in integral form. Due to symmetry of a very long coil, ##\vec{H}## must be along the coil's axis, and you can assume it's 0 outside.

For the closed line in the integral take a rectangle with one side (length ##l##) along the axis, somewhere well inside the coil and the parallel side outside. Let there be ##\lambda## windings per unit length. Then you have, according to Ampere's Law (I neglect the signs here; you easily find the direction of the field, using the right-hand rule):
$$\int_{\partial A} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot \vec{H}=\frac{\lambda l}{c} I,$$
where ##I## is the current through the coil. This gives
$$|\vec{H}|=\frac{\lambda}{c},$$
independent of where you locate the rectangle's side within the coil. That's why ##\vec{H}## is uniform.

You can also argue with the differential form of Ampere's Law,
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{H}=\frac{1}{c} \vec{j}.$$
In cylindrical coordinates, with the z axis along the solenoid's axis and with the ansatz due to the symmetry of the problem \vec{H}=\vec{e}_z H(r) you find, using the formulas for the curl in cylindrical coordinates ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{H}=-H'(r)##. Since inside the coil there is no current density you get ##H(r)=\text{const}##.
 
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