Why LC tank only oscillates at resonant frequency?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of LC tank circuits, particularly focusing on why they oscillate primarily at their resonant frequency and the implications of connecting them to various voltage sources. Participants explore the physics behind resonance, the conditions necessary for oscillation, and the characteristics of different circuit configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that resonance occurs when inductive and capacitive reactances are equal, allowing energy to oscillate between the components at the resonant frequency.
  • Others argue that LC circuits can oscillate at frequencies other than the resonant frequency if driven by an external time-varying voltage.
  • A participant questions the behavior of an ideal parallel LC circuit connected to a constant voltage source, seeking clarification on whether it would oscillate.
  • There is a discussion about a cross-coupled oscillator connected to a DC voltage source, with some participants asserting that it can oscillate due to the dynamics of the transistors involved.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the startup conditions of oscillation in circuits with identical transistors and the role of resistances in determining which transistor turns on first.
  • A participant shares simulation results indicating that the oscillator only functions with a step voltage, prompting inquiries about the underlying reasons for this behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether LC circuits exclusively oscillate at resonant frequencies, as some assert that oscillation can occur at other frequencies under certain conditions. The discussion includes competing views on the behavior of specific circuit configurations and the conditions necessary for oscillation.

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Some statements rely on assumptions about circuit behavior and component characteristics that may not be universally applicable. The discussion also touches on the complexities of oscillation in circuits with transistors and the influence of external voltage sources, which may not be fully resolved.

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I am wondering why LC tank only oscillates at resonant frequency not other frequencies?
Is there a physics explanation for that?
 
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"resonance" is achieved when the inductive and Capacative reactance's are equal in magnitude.

What does this mean physically?

It means that if you apply a time-varying voltage that has a frequency equal to the resonant frequency of the circuit, the energy you give the circuit by applying the voltage will be passed back and forth by the capacitive and inductive components based on the frequency.

So why not other frequencies?

If you applied a frequency other than the resonant frequency when the energy of the circuit was being passed to/from the components the applied voltage would be having some interferring affect on the circuit voltage. So the nice, resonant voltage that the capacitor and inductor would have made would be interrupted by the applied voltage's frequency. Which may disturb the 'rhythm' of the resonance.

Not sure if that was the explanation you were looking for but hopefully it helps to some degree.
 
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anhnha said:
I am wondering why LC tank only oscillates at resonant frequency not other frequencies?
Is there a physics explanation for that?
Yes. If you write down the equation for the current and voltage, you get a second-order differential equation with the resonant frequency as the solution (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit for the explanation of the derivation).
 
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Thanks a lot!
I have one more question. Assume I have an ideal parallel LC and it is connected permanently with an ideal constant voltage source. Does the LC tank oscillate with a sinusoidal waveform? I am confused because it is connected with a constant voltage source?
 
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anhnha said:
I am wondering why LC tank only oscillates at resonant frequency not other frequencies?

That's not true. It will oscillate at whatever frequency you drive it at.
 
If the signal isn't time varying there will be no oscillation.
 
So, could you explain why this cross coupled oscillator below oscillate? It is only connected with a DC voltage source.
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That's not an LC circuit. That's not even an RLC circuit.
 
Hi, I read that that circuit can be converted to LC tank circuit using negative resistance of these mos transistors.
So I think they are equivalent.
 
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I'm not familiar with the symbols but they might be transistors.

In that case the transistors could be used to cut the DC voltage to make a time varying voltage. If the transistors were capable of switching pretty frequently it may resemble a regular AC circuits characteristics.
 
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Jarrodmccarthy said:
I'm not familiar with the symbols but they might be transistors.

They're MOSFETs. And circuits with transistors are not simple LC circuits.
 
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anhnha said:
So, could you explain why this cross coupled oscillator below oscillate? It is only connected with a DC voltage source.
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Oscillation - it is possible. It looks like a Flip-Flop with tuned drain circuits to me. Since the LC combination has no phase shift at resonance, it does not help any. What helps, is that the MOSFET that is "on" only has a given amount of current (current source at the bottom of the figure) and after some time the current through the inductance does not increase and the voltage across it will decrease. This will make the other MOSFET start conducting, sending a current through its drain circuit and "stealing " current from the first MOSFET. This behavior will "kick" the drain circuit into oscillation mode and couple this oscillation to the other MOSFET.

There are several variants of LC tank oscillator, and this is not one of the most used. The dominant circuits are the Colpitts oscillator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator) and the Hartley oscillator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartley_oscillator).
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
They're MOSFETs. And circuits with transistors are not simple LC circuits.
I guessed they were transistors so thanks for specifying MOSFE.
Seems like Svein said a more sophisticated version of what I said to me.
 
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Svein said:
Oscillation - it is possible. It looks like a Flip-Flop with tuned drain circuits to me. Since the LC combination has no phase shift at resonance, it does not help any. What helps, is that the MOSFET that is "on" only has a given amount of current (current source at the bottom of the figure) and after some time the current through the inductance does not increase and the voltage across it will decrease. This will make the other MOSFET start conducting, sending a current through its drain circuit and "stealing " current from the first MOSFET. This behavior will "kick" the drain circuit into oscillation mode and couple this oscillation to the other MOSFET.

There are several variants of LC tank oscillator, and this is not one of the most used. The dominant circuits are the Colpitts oscillator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator) and the Hartley oscillator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartley_oscillator).

Thanks for the detailed answer.
I have some problems understanding the oscillator. The first one relating to the boldfaced part above. I don't get what you meant here.
Second problem is that how can the oscillation start up? Two transistors are exactly the same, so which one will be ON first? Will both transistors be OFF permanently?
 
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anhnha said:
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I have some problems understanding the oscillator. The first one relating to the boldfaced part above. I don't get what you meant here.
Second problem is that how can the oscillation start up? Two transistors are exactly the same, so which one will be ON first? Will both transistors be OFF permanently?
I think those resistances are different so there would be a potential difference giving preference to one MOSFET or the other.
 
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Jarrodmccarthy said:
I think those resistances are different so there would be a potential difference giving preference to one MOSFET or the other.
Hi, the resistances are same (not exactly because tolerance)
 
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anhnha said:
Second problem is that how can the oscillation start up? Two transistors are exactly the same, so which one will be ON first? Will both transistors be OFF permanently?
If both start OFF, they will not draw current, which makes the drain HIGH, turning the other one ON. If both start ON, they will pull the drain low, turning the other one OFF. Which one? Random.
 
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I simulated the oscillator. If Vdd is step voltage then the oscillator oscillates but if Vdd is constant then it doesn't oscillate. Could you explain why?
 
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anhnha said:
I simulated the oscillator. If Vdd is step voltage then the oscillator oscillates but if Vdd is constant then it doesn't oscillate. Could you explain why?
As I remarked above:
Svein said:
It looks like a Flip-Flop with tuned drain circuits to me.
Such a circuit will usually only oscillate when you do not want it to (cf. Murphy's law). Try this circuit instead:
Nanopower-Lc-colpitts-Oscillator-Circuit.jpg
(copied from http://www.datasheetdir.com/Nanopower-Lc-colpitts-Oscillator-Circuit+Application-Notes, you can find component values there).
 

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