Why should the covariant derivative of the metric tensor be 0 ?

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The discussion centers around the covariant derivative of the metric tensor in General Relativity (GR), exploring the implications of its vanishing and the assumptions underlying parallel transport of vectors. Participants delve into both theoretical and conceptual aspects of the topic.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the vanishing of the nonmetricity tensor is crucial in GR, as it ensures that the lengths and angles of vectors remain unchanged under parallel transport.
  • Others propose that this assumption could be relaxed, suggesting that it represents the simplest and most natural geometric scenario.
  • A participant mentions an algebraic reasoning related to the operations of raising and lowering indices, indicating that these operations should commute with differentiation.
  • It is noted that this condition is necessary for the "Fundamental Theorem of (Pseudo-) Riemannian Geometry."
  • One participant describes the definition of parallel transport in terms of geometric constructions, such as Schild's ladder, and expresses uncertainty about torsion and torsion-based theories of gravity.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that if one does not adopt the unique torsion-free metric-compatible derivative operator, additional structures like the nonmetricity tensor or torsion tensor must be specified to select a preferred derivative operator.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between torsion and particle spin, indicating that some theories link torsion to the geometry of spacetime and the behavior of geodesics based on a particle's spin.
  • A participant expresses a physical expectation regarding the constancy of angles in the absence of forces, relating this to the mathematical expression of the covariant derivative of the metric tensor.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical interpretation of the assumption that the covariant derivative is torsion-free on scalar fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the assumptions and implications of the covariant derivative of the metric tensor. There is no consensus on whether the assumptions can be relaxed or on the implications of torsion in relation to the metric tensor.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of geometric constructions related to parallel transport and torsion.

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That's a crucial point of GR !
And I have always problems with that.

Back to the basics, with your help.

Thanks

Michel
 
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The vanishing of the nonmetricity tensor in GR has to with the natural assumption that under parallel transport of vectors, neither the length of one vector, nor the angle between 2 such vectors would change.

It's instructive to perform one of the 2 calculations referred to in the phrase above.

Daniel.
 
This assumption can probably be relaxed. But this gives you more freedom. I would say that this is merely the simplest (and geometrically the most natural) possibility.
 
A quick algebraic reason is that raising (lowering) indices then differentiating should be the same thing as differentiating then raising (lowering) indices.
 
That condition is also needed for the "Fundamental Theorem of (Pseudo-) Riemannian Geometry".
 
As far as I know, it's a defintional thing. If one adopts the definition that two sides of a quadralateral are parallel when opposite sides have the same length, one can use a geometric construction based on this definition of the parallelness of two different vectors to define parallel transport (also, the more elegant gometric construction known as "Schild's ladder") to perform covariant differentiation.

(Note that given a metric, one can measure the length of the sides of a parallelogram.)

Schild's ladder is discussed in MTW (but not many other textbooks include it).

I've never quite understood torsion, though, or torsion-based theories of gravity.
 
Here's another way to look at it.
Given the metric tensor, if you don't choose the unique torsion-free metric-compatible derivative operator, you have to specify some more structure (say, the nonmetricity tensor or the torsion tensor or something equivalent) to pick out the derivative operator you prefer. From a physics point of view, you'd probably want to physically justify the choice.
 
pervect said:
I've never quite understood torsion, though, or torsion-based theories of gravity.

I also don't know much know about torsion-based theories of gravity, but I think one story goes something like the following.

Some theories relate torsion to particle spin. This is basically a coupling of spin to spacetime geometry, so that what constitutes a geodesic depends on a particle's spin.
 
My understanding is that, if there is no force acting on your drawing compass, physically you'd expect the angle it subtends to remain constant. Mathematically: [itex]0 = \nabla_a (\boldsymbol{guv}) = \nabla_a \boldsymbol g[/itex] QED.

To define the connection you also assume the covariant derivative is torsion free on scalar fields, and I'm not sure what that means physically.
 

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