Will Adding a Second Generator Increase Power Output?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of adding a second generator to a system already powered by a motor. Participants explore the theoretical implications of power output, rotational speed, and the relationship between load and generator performance. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to energy conservation and generator dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where a motor drives a generator and questions whether adding a second identical generator would result in both generators producing equal power, each being half of the input power.
  • Another participant notes that increasing the load on the motor with additional generators will likely reduce the rotational speed of the motor.
  • A participant queries whether the rotational speed of the two generators could be more than half of the speed of a single generator and seeks clarification on what factors reduce the rotation speed.
  • It is suggested that the relationship between the generator's output power and its input angular frequency could be linear or non-linear, affecting how the load impacts speed.
  • One participant clarifies that "load" refers to the electrical demand placed on the generators and that there is no guarantee that the load will be shared equally between the generators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how adding a second generator affects rotational speed and power output, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the relationship between load and generator performance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about linear versus non-linear relationships in generator performance, which may affect conclusions drawn about power output and rotational speed. The exact nature of these relationships remains unspecified.

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Imagine that we have a motor running at some power. Now, the spindle of this motor is connected to the axis of a generator, so the rotation of the motor spindle will rotate the axis of the generator. In an ideal situation (no friction, back emf, etc. and using similar number of turns of a coil having the same area and same magnetic field as that of the motor), will the generator produce the same power as the input?

Now imagine I increase the length of the spindle of the motor, and attach a second identical generator next to the first one, so both the generators will rotate together at the same frequency. In this case, will both the generators produce equal amounts of power which is equal to half the input power?

Just a random situation I was discussing with a friend the other day. Any help would be appreciated.

AJ
 
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Sounds reasonable. As you keep loading down the motor with a larger number of generators, its rotational speed will necessarily slow down, though.

- Warren
 
So that means, when I add a second generator to the system, the rotation speed of the first (and the second) will become equal to or less than half of the rotation speed of the first generator connected alone? Is possible that the rotation speed might end up infact being more than half for both the generators than that of the first generator alone?

Example
1 Generator alone : 5000 rpm
2 Generators together : 3000 rpm each

Will the principal of conservation of energy be violated in such a case? And what does actually reduce the rotation speed of the generators?AJ
 
It depends on exactly how your generator's output power depends on its input angular frequency. If we assume that it's linear, then doubling the load on the motor must halve the angular frequency. If it's non-linear, then sure, your numbers could be possible.

No matter what the relationship is, though, the conservation of energy can't be violated.

- Warren
 
Thanks Warren.

Imagine we assume that the output power depends linearly. Why does the angular frequency reduce? What do you mean by load?
 
The "load" is the electrical demand placed on the generators.
 
The generators will produce power to match whatever load is put on them (up to a limit).

There's no reason why they'll automatically share the load out equally between them.
 

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