Will Neutron Stars Last Forever Without Proton Decay?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the longevity of neutron stars in the context of proton decay and cosmic phenomena such as the Big Rip. Participants explore theoretical implications regarding the stability and eventual fate of neutron stars, comparing them to white dwarfs and considering various decay mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if proton decay does not occur, neutron stars could last indefinitely unless disrupted by collisions.
  • Others argue that under the Big Rip scenario, no macro objects, including neutron stars, would persist forever.
  • It is suggested that neutron stars may eventually shed heat and become cold remnants, similar to white dwarfs, despite retaining high density.
  • A participant mentions that neutron stars have a superhard crust that stabilizes the neutron material beneath, but this crust may experience proton decay, leading to a slow decay process.
  • There is a discussion about the hypothetical nature of proton decay, with some noting that it has not been experimentally confirmed and may have an extremely long half-life.
  • One participant speculates that neutron stars could gain enough mass to collapse into black holes, although this remains uncertain without external collisions.
  • Another participant references Kip Thorne's description of white dwarfs and neutron stars as 'graveyards,' implying a state of 'eternal rest.'
  • Technical details are provided about proton decay mechanisms and their potential effects on nucleons within neutron stars, suggesting a complex interplay of decay processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the longevity of neutron stars, the implications of proton decay, and the influence of cosmic expansion. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the ultimate fate of neutron stars.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the hypothetical nature of proton decay and its dependence on grand unified theories, as well as the unresolved implications of cosmic phenomena like the Big Rip on neutron star longevity.

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If proton decay does not occur, will neutron stars just last for eternity unless something collides with them?
 
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If the Big Rip holds then no macro objects will persist forever. If there is no Big Rip, then I don't know
 
They are not much different from a white dwarf. They will eventually shed their heat and become a cold, dead cinder [black dwarf]. They will, however, retain their incredible density so don't try to land on one.
 
phinds said:
If the Big Rip holds then no macro objects will persist forever.

Has the neutron star no influence on the expansion of space?
 
DrStupid said:
Has the neutron star no influence on the expansion of space?

Only locally, and under the Big Rip scenario, even that will be overcome by expansion.
 
Actually, neutron stars have a thin layer of a superhard crust of normal nuclei. This crust keeps the main neutron star material underneath stable. But it does experience proton decay. So slowly the crust will decay and the layer below of neutrons then decays into more protons that then decay again, producing a suicidal cycle that eventually destroys the neutron star. But because only the crust ever decays instead of the whole star, like in a white dwarf, its decay is far slower than a piece of normal matter.
 
Proton decay is a hypothetical possibility under certain grand unified theories. It has never been experimentally confirmed. Experimental results suggest the half life of protons [if they have one] is at least 10^34 years.
 
Dremmer said:
If proton decay does not occur, will neutron stars just last for eternity unless something collides with them?

I would think so. I once read that it would take 10^108 years for the magnetic field to decay.

It might gain enough mass to collapse into a black hole, but short of a collision no one knows whether that actually happens.
 
Kip Thorne describes white dwarfs and neutron stars as 'graveyards'.

That sounds like 'eternal rest' to me.
 
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Proton-decay mechanisms also make neutrons decay at roughly the same rate.

So a proton-decay mechanism will cause the decay of every nucleon in a neutron star, protons, neutrons, whatever other ones might get formed. If the core of a neutron star becomes quark matter, then the decay mechanism will operate on those quarks.

Proton decay and related sorts of decay work like this:
quark + quark -> antiquark + (anti)lepton

(B - L conserved)
u + u -> d* + e+
u + d -> u* + e+ or d* + nu*
d + d -> u* + nu*
(B - L violated)
u + d -> d* + nu
d + d -> u* + nu or d* + e-

Hadron states:
baryon -> meson + (anti)lepton
 

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