Wind loading due to gusts; resultant torque on a 6' parabolic dish

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of wind loading effects on a two-axis mounted 6-foot parabolic dish, specifically focusing on the resultant torque and pointing errors due to gusts of wind. Participants explore the calculations related to transient torque and structural deflections caused by wind loading, as well as the modeling approaches for these effects.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates the distance from the rotation axis to the apex of the dish as roughly 43 inches and describes the wind loading conditions as 50 knots continuous with gusts of 75 knots, leading to a transient torque of 796 lb-ft for each axis.
  • Another participant suggests modeling the dish as a simple disk with an area of about 30 square feet and explains that the elevation error results from wind pressure applied to the center of the disk, while the azimuth error arises from wind gusts applied to one side of the disk.
  • There is a mention of the need to clarify the precise assumptions made in the original analysis, with a suggestion to contact the author of the report for more details.
  • A participant points out a discrepancy between the wind speed units of 75 mph and 75 knots, indicating a potential error in unit conversion.
  • One participant acknowledges their carelessness in mixing units, highlighting the complexity of working with different systems of measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the modeling approach and the assumptions underlying the torque calculations. There is no consensus on the correct method for calculating the torque values or the associated pointing errors, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions in the original analysis, the dependence on specific definitions of wind loading, and unresolved mathematical steps related to torque calculations.

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Hi,

We had a company do a pointing error analysis on a proposed pedestal system, on which is mounted a two-axis (azimuth and elevation) 6 foot parabolic dish. I estimate the distance from the rotation axis to the apex of the dish to be roughly 43 inches. Among the error sources are errors due to wind loading. The following is an excerpt from the section about wind loading:

The wind loading was specified as 50 knot continuous with gust of 75 knots. For this analysis it was assumed that the worst-case gust would be from 0 to 75 knots. This gust differential resulted in a transient torque of 796 lb-ft for each axis. Knowing the drive compliance from testing of previous systems for this pedestal drive train, we are able to calculate the transient deflection of the axis due to wind load as 0.0253 degrees for each axis.

In addition to drive deflections due to wind loading, there is also structural deflections of the pedestal. These deflections include torsional error (azimuth axis), and bending error (elevation axis).

The error in the azimuth axis from torsional deflection from wind loading (75 knots resulting in 796 lb-ft of torque) is calculated to be 0.0044 degrees. The error in the elevation axis from bending deflection from wind loading (75 knots resulting in 927 lb-ft of torque) is calculated to be 0.0107 degrees.

The author said that "...the calculation was made assuming a worst-case gust was the delta force between a no wind load condition to a 75 knot wind load condition. Thus, the resultant load was that of a 75 knot wind on an 6-foot dish. We had to assume a distance from the rotating axis to the apex of the dish for this calculation."

I tried to figure out how the torque values were arrived at, and how the associated pointing errors were calculated, but had no luck. I tried modeling the wind gust as a force impinging on the apex of the dish, and then causing a torque on the center of rotation along the virtual lever arm defined by the center of rotation and the apex of the radar, but wasn't sure if that was the right approach. Does anyone have any idea how I might proceed?
 
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Welcome to PF.
A 6 foot dish is probably modeled as a simple disk with an area of about 30 square feet.

The elevation error is the angular deflection of the dish mounting structure that results from the 75 mph wind pressure applied to the centre of a disk.

The azimuth error is probably calculated based on the 75 mph wind gust applied to one side of the disk only. That will result in an azimuth torque and an elevation bending of the structure. The vector sum is the pointing error.

If you need to know the precise assumptions made then you should contact the author of the report.
 
Great, thank you!
 
Nit pick: 75 mph ≠ 75 knots
 
SteamKing. That is knot nit picking. It is my carelessness while working in too many systems of units.
 

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