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The discussion revolves around a statistical mechanics problem involving the calculation of probabilities for different configurations of bosons, fermions, and distinct atoms in a system with multiple wells. Participants are exploring the implications of the Pauli exclusion principle and the use of partition functions in determining these probabilities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate probabilities for various states of bosons and fermions, questioning the clarity and correctness of their initial calculations. There is discussion about the application of the apriori principle and the need for probabilities to sum to one. Some participants are also considering how to generalize the approach for more than two wells.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the clarity of the original poster's answers, noting inconsistencies in the probabilities. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of statistical mechanics principles, with attempts to clarify the definitions of states and the calculations involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct guidance they can provide to one another. There is a focus on ensuring that the calculations adhere to the principles of statistical mechanics, particularly regarding the treatment of different types of particles.

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Homework Statement
I don't know if I am correct or not....
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b)
Consider P_j(n) as a macrostate of the system,
Bosons: P_1(1) = P_2(1) = 1/2*1/2=1/4 ,P_1(2)=P_2(2)=1/2*1/2=1/4

Fermions: P_1(1)=P_2(1)=1 (Pauli exclusion principle), P_1(2)=P_2(2)=0

Different species: P_1(1)=P_2(1) = 2*1/2*1/2=1/2 (because there are two microstates with corresponding to one atom in each well, atom A in well 1, atom B in well 2 and atom B in well A, atom A in well B).

c)
Bosons: Suppose well 2 has an energy of E. 3 microstates as above
Z = 1 + e^(-2bE) + e^(-bE),
P_1(1)=P_2(1) = e^(-bE)/Z, P_1(2)=1/Z, P_2(2)=e^(-2bE)/Z

Fermions: P_1(1)=P_2(1)=1 (Pauli exclusion principle), P_1(2)=P_2(2)=0

Distinct species: Z = 1 + e^(-2bE) + 2e^(-bE)
P_1(1)=P_2(1) = 2e^(-bE)/Z, P_1(2)=1/Z, P_2(2)=e^(-2bE)/Z

d)
Bosons:
Z = e^(-bU) + e^(-2b(E+U)) + e^(-bE)
P_1(1)=P_2(1) = e^(-bE)/Z, P_1(2)=e^(-bU)/Z, P_2(2)=e^(-2b(E+U))/Z

Fermions: P_1(1)=P_2(1)=1 (Pauli exclusion principle), P_1(2)=P_2(2)=0

Distinct species: Z = e^(-bU) + e^(-2b(E+U)) + 2e^(-bE)
P_1(1)=P_2(1) = 2e^(-bE)/Z, P_1(2)=e^(-bU)/Z, P_2(2)=e^(-2b(E+U))/Z

For U->infinity, Z->e^(-bE) for bosons, 2e^(-bE) for distinct atoms,
P_1(1)=P_2(1) -> 1 for bosons and distinct atoms and P_2(2)=P_1(2)->0 as U->infinity.

I am not sure that whether this method is correct for distinct atoms and is there any more general methods that work for more than 2 wells? For example, I don't know what to do if the question ask: What is the probability of p_j(n) if there are N atoms and J wells...
 
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Looking at (b), your answers are not clear, and you have probabilities that do not sum to 1. State clearly what the different possible states are.
 
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DrClaude said:
Looking at (b), your answers are not clear, and you have probabilities that do not sum to 1. State clearly what the different possible states are.
b)
Consider P_j(n) as a macrostate of the system,
Bosons:
State 1: Two atoms in well 1
State 2: Two atoms in well 2
State 3: Each well is occupied by 1 atom
Can I use the apriori principle that each microstate is equally possible? In this case all states will have a probability of 1/3.

P_1(1)=P_2(1)=1/3+1/3=2/3
P_1(2)=P_2(2)=1/3

Fermions:
State 1: Each well is occupied by 1 atom, so the probability will be 1.

Distinct atoms:
State 1: Two atoms in well 1 p=1/4
State 2: Two atoms in well 2 p=1/4
State 3: Atom A in well 1 Atom B in well 2 p=1/4
State 4: Atom A in well 2 Atom B in well 1 p=1/4

P_1(1) = P_2(1) =1/4+1/4=1/2
P_1(2)=P_2(2) =1/4

I will try part c and d again...
 
c)
Z = 1 + e^(-2bE) + e^(-bE)
Bosons:
State 1: Two atoms in well 1 probability: 1/Z
State 2: Two atoms in well 2 p=e^(-2bE)/Z
State 3: Each well is occupied by 1 atom P=e^(-bE)/Z

P_1(1)=P_2(1)=e^(-bE)/Z
P_1(2)= 1/Z
P_2(2)= e^(-2bE)/Z

Fermions:
State 1: Each well is occupied by 1 atom, so the probability will be 1.

Distinct atoms:
Z = 1 + e^(-2bE) + 2e^(-bE)
State 1: Two atoms in well 1 p= 1/Z
State 2: Two atoms in well 2 p= e^(-2bE)/Z
State 3: Atom A in well 1 Atom B in well 2 p= e^(-bE)/Z
State 4: Atom A in well 2 Atom B in well 1 p= e^(-bE)/Z

P_1(1) =P_2(1) = 2e^(-bE)/Z
P_1(2) = 1/Z
P_2(2) = e^(-2bE)/ZI think my original part c and d are right.. so I will save the time for writing out part d...
 

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