Work done by the gravitational force

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The discussion centers around calculating the work done by the gravitational force, particularly in the context of integrating a 1-form in spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of this calculation, including the transition from Cartesian to spherical coordinates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the concept of work done by gravitational force using the integration of a 1-form in Cartesian coordinates and seeks to understand its application in spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to use the correct line element in spherical coordinates, providing the expression for the line element and the corresponding 1-form.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the importance of the line element and proposes a specific integral formulation for calculating work done in spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests that the work done in a gravitational field can be simplified to the difference in potential energies at two points, indicating a focus on the vertical direction in spherical coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to calculating work done in gravitational fields, with some focusing on the integration of the 1-form and others suggesting a potential energy perspective. No consensus is reached on the preferred method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the coordinate system and the nature of the gravitational field, which may not be explicitly stated. The dependence on specific definitions of force components in spherical coordinates is also noted.

eoghan
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Hi there!
I'd like to calculate the work done by the gravitational force. I know the work is defined by the integration of a 1-form:
L=\int_\gamma \omega
where
\omega=F_xdx+F_ydy+F_zdz

This works fine in cartesian coordinates and I know how to integrate it, but what if I want to use spherical coordinates?
Then I'd have:
\omega=F_rdr+F_{\theta}d{\theta}+F_{\phi}{d\phi}=F_rdr
Suppose \gamma is a curve defined in spherical coordinates (i.e. \vec\gamma=R(t)\hat r+\Theta(t)\hat\theta+\Phi(t)\hat\phi),
how do I integrate the 1-form along \gamma?
 
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eoghan said:
\omega=F_rdr+F_{\theta}d{\theta}+F_{\phi}{d\phi}=F_rdr

No, you need to use the line element in spherical coordinates:

d \vec l = dr \hat r + r d\theta \hat \theta + r \sin \theta d\phi \hat \phi

so that

\omega = F_r dr + F_\theta r d\theta + F_\phi r \sin \theta d\phi

Now, what are F_r, F_\theta, and F_\phi?
 
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jtbell said:
No, you need to use the line element in spherical coordinates:

d \vec l = dr \hat r + r d\theta \hat \theta + r \sin \theta d\phi \hat \phi

so that

\omega = F_r dr + F_\theta r d\theta + F_\phi r \sin \theta d\phi

Now, what are F_r, F_\theta, and F_\phi?

Then the integral is like this?

\int_\gamma \omega = \int_{t_0}^{t_1} \vec F \cdot\frac{d\vec l}{dt}dt=\int_{t_0}^{t_1} \left( F_r\frac{dr}{dt}+F_\theta r \frac{d\theta}{dt}+F_\phi rsin\theta\frac{d\phi}{dt}\right)dt
 
Wouldn't the work done when moving between two points in a gravitational field just be the difference between the potential energies at those two points? You'd really only need to worry about the up direction...or r in spherical polar coordinates...if the coordinate origin is the Earth's center.
 

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