Would Electric Field on the surface of a conductor point inwardly?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields on and inside conductors, particularly whether the electric field on the surface of a conductor points inwardly due to excess negative charges. Participants also explore the reasons behind the electric field being zero inside a conductor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the electric field on the surface of a conductor points inwardly due to excess negative charges.
  • Another participant suggests that the electric field could point outward if the conductor has too few electrons.
  • It is noted that the electric field inside the conductor is zero only in the electrostatic case, as any non-zero field would cause charge movement.
  • A participant discusses the concept of superposition of electric fields and proposes that the zero electric field inside a conductor may relate to the opposing effects of protons and electrons.
  • There is a description of a scenario involving three electrons in a line, where the net force on the middle electron is zero due to equal repelling forces from the outer electrons.
  • Another participant believes that the electric field inside matter is not constant and suggests that there are areas of non-zero electric field between atoms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the direction of the electric field on the surface of a conductor and the conditions under which the electric field inside a conductor is zero. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions of the conductor and the nature of electric fields are not fully explored, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of the behavior of electric fields in different scenarios.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrostatics, particularly students and enthusiasts looking to deepen their understanding of electric fields in conductors.

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Would Electric Field on the surface of a conductor point inwardly due to the excess of negative charges on the surface?

Lastly, I cannot seem to conceptualize why the E field inside the conductor is zero?
Is it due to the protons that are in opposition to the electron's efields?

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It could also point outward if the conductor too few electrons.

The e field is only zero for the electrostatic case. If it were not zero the charge would move (ohms law) and it would not be electrostatic.
 
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Thanks Dalespam!
 
jlyu002@ucr.e said:
Lastly, I cannot seem to conceptualize why the E field inside the conductor is zero?
The total E field is zero. I believe fields can exist in superposition of each other and matter.
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Is it due to the protons that are in opposition to the electron's efields?
Yes, I believe that is correct.

If you have 3 electrons in a straight line, equally spaced apart, the middle electron will experience both repelling forces from the outside electrons at the same time. But since the electrons are equally spaced apart, the net force on the middle electron is 0. The electron in the middle will not move towards either of the electrons.

Also, I believe the E field inside any matter is not constant. There are areas of non zero E field in between atoms. If there wasn't, the atoms would touch each other.
 
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