Write Lagrangian of spring-mass system

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a spring-mass system with a pendulum attached, specifically on a frictionless surface. The kinetic energy (T) is expressed as T = (1/2)(M+m)ẋ² + (1/2)m(l²ẋ² + 2ẋlẋcosθ) and the potential energy (V) as V = (1/2)kx² - mg l cosθ. The interaction between the spring and pendulum is crucial, as the velocities are not independent. The user seeks guidance on handling the cosθ factor in the kinetic energy matrix for normal mode frequency calculations.

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Spring-mass system on a frictionless surface. A pendulum hangs from the mass of the spring-mass system. Write the Lagrangian.

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Take x as the stretch from equilibrium of the spring and k its elastic constant. M is the mass on the spring.

Take \theta as the angular displacement from equilibrium of the pendulum, and m as the mass on the end of the pendulum.
T = \frac{1}{2} M \dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2} m \dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2} m l^2 \dot{\theta}^2

V = \frac{1}{2} k x^2 + m g l (1-\cos \theta)

Now if I take M=2m and k=mg/l and (1-\cos \theta) = \theta^2/2 I get two normal modes but in one only the spring moves, and in the other only the pendulum moves. Am I missing an interaction term between the spring and pendulum?
 
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Yeah, I think you are. When you compute the kinetic energy for the small mass m, you can't just write separate terms for the spring motion m\dot{x}^2/2 and the pendulum motion ml^2 \dot{\theta}^2/2, because those two are not linearly independent. (By writing them as separate terms, you were kind of implicitly assuming that they are) Instead, I'd suggest finding expressions for the x and y coordinates of the small mass and differentiating them to get the velocity, which you can then plug into the kinetic energy formula:
T = \frac{1}{2}m v_x^2 + \frac{1}{2}m v_y^2
 


T = \frac{1}{2}(M+m)\dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2}m(l^2 \dot{\theta}^2 + 2 \dot{x} l \dot{\theta} \cos \theta)

V = \frac{1}{2} k x^2 - m g l \cos \theta

I want to find the normal mode frequencies. How do I handle the \cos \theta factor in the kinetic energy matrix when constructing the eigenvalue problem?
 
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