What happens during sleep that makes it necessecary?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of sleep, exploring various biological, neurological, and evolutionary perspectives. Participants examine potential functions of sleep, including energy conservation, tissue repair, and brain health, while also referencing sleep deprivation effects and specific physiological processes involved during sleep.

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  • Some participants propose that sleep is necessary for building reserves of ATP and for tissue rebuilding, suggesting that mere carbohydrate intake would not suffice.
  • Others argue that sleep is crucial for brain health, citing historical studies on sleep deprivation that link lack of sleep to psychosis and mental health issues.
  • A participant mentions that lack of REM sleep can produce symptoms similar to alcohol intoxication.
  • There is a claim that sleep is when the body converts adenosine back into ATP, though this is challenged by another participant who questions the accuracy of this statement.
  • Some participants suggest that sleep may have evolved primarily for energy conservation, but now serves multiple purposes, including brain processing and tissue repair.
  • A participant introduces the idea of a link between sleep and gene expression in neurons, referencing a case study of a woman with an unusual sleep pattern related to her DNA packing.
  • There is a discussion about adenosine's role in sleep regulation, with references to how certain substances interact with adenosine receptors to influence sleepiness and wakefulness.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the functions and necessity of sleep, with no consensus reached on specific mechanisms or the primary reasons for sleep's necessity.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of biochemical processes, and there are unresolved questions about the exact roles of sleep in energy metabolism and neurological health.

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Off the top of my head, the only things I can think of that would make sleep necessary is building up reserves of ATP and using energy towards rebuilding tissue that wouldn't be available during the day. But it seems that there has to be more, otherwise you could just eat a lot of carbohydrates and never have to sleep...
 
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Sleep is also really important for the brain.I haven't done a lot of research about this but it is evident that critical neurological things are going on that are necessary to remaining mentally healthy. They did a lot of sleep deprivation studies in the 1960s and discovered that after about four days with no sleep people became psychotic. A return to normal amounts of sleep reversed this.
a lot of mentally ill people, especially people prone to manic episodes, tend to start down the road to their next mania or psychotic episode by going through a period where they lose a lot of sleep.
 
I've read that sleep deprivation, particularly lack of REM sleep (which usually comprises the last 90 minutes, or so, of sleep (IIRC)), can lead to symptoms exactly like those of drinking too much alcohol.
 
I read somewhere that sleep is when the body converts adneosine back into ATP. If that is correct, then no amount of carbing up would help, because the energy in the carbs you eat would not be converted to a usable form.

Also, sleep is the only time the body produces seratonin, without which the brain shorts out.
 
Originally posted by LURCH
I read somewhere that sleep is when the body converts adneosine back into ATP.

Do you mean adenosine diphosphate (ADP) back to Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP)?

If that's the case, i don't believe it is true. Your cells must continuously replenish ATP via glycolysis (or other means) or it would probably die in a second.

some more information - http://www.sagewoodwellness.com/Doc0002.htm


Perhaps sleep evolved to conserve energy during the night, and now is used for other purposes, some say its necessary for the brain to process the days events, others say it is to repair tissue in a relaxed state.. its probably all of these.
 
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I have sometimes wondered whether there might be a link to gene expression in the neurons, with there being a conflict between the chromosome state required for waking neural activity, and for gene expression.

There is a published paper about a woman in Japan who sleeps for 20 odd days, then wakes for 20 odd days. I assume that when she is sleeping she is woken for meals, and then drops back off to sleep. The only thing that they could find wrong was that her DNA did not pack properly into the highly condensed Heterochromatin state. This syndrome is normal fatal, but not in her case.
 
Originally posted by Jikx
Do you mean adenosine diphosphate (ADP) back to Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP)?

If that's the case, i don't believe it is true. Your cells must continuously replenish ATP via glycolysis (or other means) or it would probably die in a second.

some more information - http://www.sagewoodwellness.com/Doc0002.htm


Perhaps sleep evolved to conserve energy during the night, and now is used for other purposes, some say its necessary for the brain to process the days events, others say it is to repair tissue in a relaxed state.. its probably all of these.

No, I 'm talking about adenosine, once all phosphates have been stripped off. The resulting molecule, adenosine, has been at least tentatively linked to the urge to sleep. Some tranquilisera work because they mimc adenosine and fit adenosine receptors. Caffein keeps us awake because it blocks these same receptors.

After some searching, I found http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/adenosine.html which refers to the same study where I first saw that information.
 
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