Cardinal Numbers and the Concept of Infinity in Mathematics

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Subtracting infinity from infinity lacks mathematical meaning unless contextualized within limits or orders of magnitude. In cardinal numbers, operations like addition can be defined, such as card(R) + card(N) = card(R) and card(N) + card(N) = card(N). The concept of infinity varies, with different interpretations in the extended real line and hyperreal numbers, where subtraction may be defined under specific conditions. However, in standard mathematics, infinity is not treated as a real number, making operations like subtraction undefined. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity regarding the type of infinity and the mathematical framework being used.
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Does subtracting infinity from infinity leave you with zero?

Or could you subtract infinity from infinity and still have infinity?
 
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Subtracting infinity from infinity has no mathematical meaning. Unless we are talking about limits and orders of magnitude.
 
Werg22 said:
Subtracting infinity from infinity has no mathematical meaning. Unless we are talking about limits and orders of magnitude.

You can't subtract but you can add infinity from infinity.

Let N be the natural numbers and R be the real numbers. And card(X) denote the cardinality of X.

card(R) + card(N) = card(R)
card(N) + card(N) = card(N)
 
Holocene said:
Does subtracting infinity from infinity leave you with zero?

Or could you subtract infinity from infinity and still have infinity?
What "infinity" are you talking about? What notion of subtraction are you talking about? Your question really cannot be answered unless these are specified. (Though we can guess at what you meant, in order to give an answer)

Some examples:
The extended real line contains two points "at infinity": +\infty and -\infty. The extended real line also comes with a notion of subtraction that's defined for most, but not all arguments. (+\infty) - (-\infty) = +\infty and (-\infty) - (+\infty) = -\infty, but (+\infty) - (+\infty) and (-\infty) - (-\infty) are undefined. (And any combination involving at least one finite number is defined)

In the cardinal numbers, there are lots of infinite cardinals. (literally, too many to count) Subtraction makes little sense for them, because if \alpha \leq \beta and \beta is infinite, then \alpha + \beta = \beta.

The hyperreal line contains many infinite and infinitessimal numbers, and in a certain sense, the hyperreals behave exactly like the reals. (e.g. you can subtract any hyperreal from any other hyperreal)
 
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JasonRox said:
You can't subtract but you can add infinity from infinity.

Let N be the natural numbers and R be the real numbers. And card(X) denote the cardinality of X.

card(R) + card(N) = card(R)
card(N) + card(N) = card(N)
But, in order to do that, you have to be talking about "cardinal numbers", not the regular real numbers- which I'm pretty sure is what the OP was talking about. "Infinity", in any sense, is not a real number and so neither addition nor subtraction (nor, for that matter multiplication or division) is defined for "infinity".
 
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