Question concerning curl for finding a conservative force field

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The discussion revolves around understanding the conditions for a force field to be conservative, specifically the equations F = ∇φ and ∇ × F = 0. A participant seeks clarification on how showing the relationships between partial derivatives (f_y = g_x, f_z = h_x, g_z = h_y) proves these laws. Another participant emphasizes the importance of defining f, g, and h, and explains that the relationships can be expressed through a determinant involving the derivatives of φ. This clarification helps the original poster understand the connection between the derivatives and the conservative nature of the force field. Overall, the discussion highlights the mathematical relationships that underpin conservative force fields.
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Hello all,
I understand the fact that the principles
LaTeX Code: F= \\nabla \\phi .

LaTeX Code: \\nabla \\times F = 0 .

must apply in order for a force field to be conservative however what i don't get is why showing:

LaTeX Code: f_y= g_x, f_z= h_x, g_z= h_y
where subscripts are what you are taking the derivative with respect to.

is a means to prove the above laws are in effect. i assume it has to do with the fact that subtracting the partial derivatives will give you zero. thank you very much for any help

sleventh
 
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You should specify what f, g and h are. It does look like you're using the fact that you can jointly express the two statements as

\nabla\times\nabla\phi = \mathrm{det}\begin{pmatrix}\hat{\mathbf{i}} && \hat{\mathbf{j}} && \hat{\mathbf{k}}\\\delta_x && \delta_y && \delta_z\\ \delta_x\phi && \delta_y\phi && \delta_z\phi\end{pmatrix},
meaning, for example,
<br /> \hat{\mathbf{i}}(\delta_y\delta_z - \delta_z\delta_y)\phi=0,<br />
but not knowing f, g and h, I can't comment further.
 
oh haha that should have been obvious thank you very much that clears everything up perfectly
 
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