Total moment of inertia of a two particle system

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total moment of inertia of a two-particle system with respect to the y-axis. Particle a is located 3r from the y-axis and particle b is r away, with both assumed to have mass m. The moment of inertia for particle a is calculated as 9mr^2 and for particle b as mr^2, leading to a total of 10mr^2, although there is confusion regarding the correct total being stated as 11mr^2. Additionally, participants discuss the kinetic energy of each particle, with formulas provided for calculating kinetic energy based on their distances and angular speed. The conversation emphasizes the need to clarify the correct approach to these calculations and the importance of accurately interpreting the problem statement.
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1. Find the moment of inertia I_x of particle a with respect to the x-axis (that is, if the x-axis is the axis of rotation), the moment of inertia I_y of particle a with respect to the y axis, and the moment of inertia I_z of particle a with respect to the z axis (the axis that passes through the origin perpendicular to both the x and y axes).

Particle a is located 3r from the y axis, and particle b is located r away.




2. I = mr^2
I = SUMM(m_i*r_i^2)




3. I_a = 9mr^2
I_b = mr^2

Total I = 10mr^2

No idea what I am doing wrong
 
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Linus Pauling said:
Particle a is located 3r from the y axis, and particle b is located r away.
Give the complete coordinates and the mass of each particle.
 
Particle a:

distance from y-axis = 3r
distance from x-axis = r

Particle b:

distance from y-axis = r
distance from x-axis = -4r

It doesn't say anything explicitly about mass, and so I think we assume each particle has mass m.
 
Linus Pauling said:
3. I_a = 9mr^2
I_b = mr^2

Total I = 10mr^2

No idea what I am doing wrong
Looks like you've found I_y. What about I_x?
 
I_x would be m(r)^2 + m(-4r)^2 = mr^2 + 16mr^2 = 17mr^2.

Am I simply adding that to I_y to get I_total? It asks for total I with respect to the y axis, though, why would I need I_x?
 
Shoot, just realized I posted to wrong question. Here's what I am trying to answer:

Find the total moment of inertia I of the system of two particles shown in the diagram with respect to the y axis
 
Linus Pauling said:
Here's what I am trying to answer:

Find the total moment of inertia I of the system of two particles shown in the diagram with respect to the y axis
Assuming the diagram matches your description, your answer seems correct to me. (Post the diagram, if you can.)
 
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Looks good to me. I say your answer is correct.
 
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Ok, I requested the correct answer: 11mr^2

WTF?!
 
  • #11
Linus Pauling said:
Ok, I requested the correct answer: 11mr^2
Sounds bogus to me. You might want to mention this to your instructor.
 
  • #12
Ok, now:

Using the formula for kinetic energy of a moving particle K=\frac{_1}{^2}mv^2, find the kinetic energy K_a of particle a and the kinetic energy K_b of particle b.
Express your answers in terms of m, omega, and r separated by a comma.

I know I need to calculate linear speed, how do I do that? I know it's v=omega*r but I don't see how to put this together...
 
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Linus Pauling said:
I know I need to calculate linear speed, how do I do that?
What's the relationship between tangential speed and angular speed for something going in a circle?
 
  • #14
Just edited before you replied: v=omega*r

But what are omega and r here?!
 
  • #15
Particle A:

Ka = 0.5m(3*omega*r)^2

Kb = 0.5m(omega*r)^2

Apparently Kb is wrong but I did it the same way as Ka....
 
  • #16
Ok I got Kb = m(omega*r)^2

What is total kinteic eneregy?
 
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Linus Pauling said:
Ka = 0.5m(3*omega*r)^2

Kb = 0.5m(omega*r)^2

Apparently Kb is wrong but I did it the same way as Ka....
These both look OK to me.

Linus Pauling said:
Ok I got Kb = m(omega*r)^2
How did you get that? (Are you posting this problem exactly as given, word for word?)

What is total kinetic energy?
Just add up the kinetic energy of each mass.
 
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