Eight-year-old is pregnant (due to sicko)

[Adam]

A GIRL aged eight has been found to be pregnant.

Police, who suspected that she was transporting illegal drugs in her stomach, rushed the girl to a hospital in Meissen, southern Bogota.

Doctors there found that the child was 32 weeks pregnant after being raped.

The girl said she had been attacked by an employee at a pharmacy near her home.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0%2c4057%2c10723091%255E401%2c00.html

Now, I don't like violence. I think it should be the last resort in nearly every case. I see the use of physical force as the failure of one's mental capabilities. However, when it comes to the defence of the innocent, the most definite and certain method should be employed first, to absolutely neutralise the threat before it can be materialised. When it comes to self-defence, I will always follow this rule. When it comes to a little girl, only eight years old, I think every person should follow this rule. Adults create this world, and kids have to deal with the consequences. Adults are responsible where that kid lives. Get a DNA match to be certain, then allow the kid's parents to put a bullet in his head.

 

[Zantra]

that's very sad indeed. That little girl will never be the same. I'm just wondering how her parents didn't notice. She was 32 weeks after all!

 

[Adam]

Maybe they did notice. There are some pretty screwy cultures here and there.

 

[Thallium]

What will they do about this? She cannot give birth. She will not survive that tremendous burden, will she?

 

[cragwolf]

The person who committed this crime should be punished like any other rapist. The age or any other characteristic of the victim should be irrelevant. The law should strive to be as rational as possble, and try to leave the emotion out of it. On the other hand, I believe rapists and murderers should be locked up for life, sentences need to be a lot more harsher for violent crimes, and violent criminals should be separated from non-violent criminals in the prison system. You can't bring back a dead person, you can't restore the quality of life to a quadriplegic, and it's extremely difficult (often impossible) for a rape victim to recover from the mental pain and anguish they will suffer. Put quite simply, violence is the worst thing in the world, no matter who is the victim, and so it deserves the harshest of sentences.

 

[Moonbear]

I also think that if someone rapes a woman and impregnates her, if he gets out of prison, he should also be made to pay for child support! No contact with the child, and all the payments should be done through the courts so there is no direct contact with the victim, but make him pay for that child. And cut off his...ummm...do you think castration with a spork is too kind for the guy who did that?

A pregnant 8-yr old...geez. Poor thing. I guess the best that could come of this would be if her parents helped raise the baby sort of as her sibling more than her child. I can't think of any good that could come of an 8 yr old being a mom.

 

[Gokul43201]

Will an 8-year-old be able to handle childbirth ? Medical opinions ?

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Will an 8-year-old be able to handle childbirth ? Medical opinions ?

I'm no docter, but I have a cousin that is 9 and I couldn't even begin to think she could physically deliver a child.

 

[Moonbear]

Will an 8-year-old be able to handle childbirth ? Medical opinions ?

It would certainly be a high-risk delivery. It might depend on whether the baby has a really low birthweight, which is quite possible for an 8 yr old mother. More likely, she'll need a C-section. Let's just hope she's close to a good medical facility. I'm pretty surprised she's made it to 32 weeks. It's hard to imagine anyone except the staunchest of pro-lifers to expect an 8 yr old to carry a pregnancy to term rather than abort it early, unless since she was so young, her parents just didn't realize she was pregnant until too late to do much (given her age, it's pretty likely she wasn't menstruating yet when raped, and everyone may have thought she was too young to get pregnant).

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Youngest Mother

Claim: The youngest mother on record was a five-year-old Peruvian girl.

Status: True.

A photograph of the pregnant girl is included.

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp

 

[Dagenais]

A photograph of the pregnant girl is included.

Ew! The picture is gross. She's naked, obese and...yuck!

I think I'm going to throw up.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Ew! The picture is gross. She's naked, obese and...yuck!

I think I'm going to throw up.

Sorry . I never saw that one coming...

Welcome to life you animal.

 

[Kerrie]

Ew! The picture is gross. She's naked, obese and...yuck!

I think I'm going to throw up.

you are extremely insensitive! do you not have any compassion for this child? do you think she could have helped how she looked?? perhaps if situations of reality such as this really make you sick, you should resort to living in your SUV in suburbia.

 

[Kerrie]

Sorry . I never saw that one coming...

Welcome to life you animal.

don't beat yourself up over it Ivan, it's obvious this member does not have much dealings with the gruesome realities of life...

this article breaks my heart...i have an 8 year old daughter myself who is bright and beautiful...to even fathom the thought of something like this happening to a child of this age is truly sad. any kind of child molestation can produce horrific emotional trauma-this pregnancy has got to be the worst end of it in my opinion...children at age 8 typically do not have the ability to procreate, so if this has happened, just think of how many other kids are sexually abused...

 

[Gokul43201]

Didn't you know ? In Quebec, they've only got angels on harps.

 

[Kerrie]

Didn't you know ? In Quebec, they've only got angels on harps.

i'm guessing you are referring to Dag's place of residence? interesting that he demands sensitivity as a verminophobic, however cannot have the compassion for a real tragedy such as this...

 

[pace]

I'd kinda agree that link is a bit on the edge though.

 

[Kerrie]

I'd kinda agree that link is a bit on the edge though.

absolutely...it should make those of us grateful who live in a society that understands how wrong and sick this is.

 

[pace]

I was thinking more that the link could be misinterpretated/unsuitable/give the wrong impressions... (Edit: Roger Ivan)

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I worried about that when I went back and saw the picture. Given the historical context I decided to leave it. It is a fact of life now.

 

[Thallium]

I also think that if someone rapes a woman and impregnates her, if he gets out of prison, he should also be made to pay for child support! No contact with the child, and all the payments should be done through the courts so there is no direct contact with the victim, but make him pay for that child. And cut off his...ummm...do you think castration with a spork is too kind for the guy who did that?

A pregnant 8-yr old...geez. Poor thing. I guess the best that could come of this would be if her parents helped raise the baby sort of as her sibling more than her child. I can't think of any good that could come of an 8 yr old being a mom.

No. No. No. Castration is sexual perversion. Castration is rape.

 

[Gokul43201]

I worried about that when I went back and saw the picture.

About what ?? I don't get it !

 

[chroot]

interesting that he demands sensitivity as a verminophobic, however cannot have the compassion for a real tragedy such as this...

Dag's one of the most selfish people I've ever spoken with.

- Warren

 

[amwbonfire]

I'm confused. I do not understand how someone aged 5, or even 8, can become pregnant. Doesn't a female have to start menstruating before they can become pregnant?

The story is quite tragic. I don't understand how someone could rape an 8 year old and not hate themselves...

 

[Kerrie]

I'm confused. I do not understand how someone aged 5, or even 8, can become pregnant. Doesn't a female have to start menstruating before they can become pregnant?

The story is quite tragic. I don't understand how someone could rape an 8 year old and not hate themselves...

eggs are still present in a female's body regardless of how young they are...i thought i read in one of these articles that there were cases of girls menstruating at age 3! it does not matter though that they can or cannot reproduce-they still are ultimately sexually abused.

 

[Moonbear]

I'm confused. I do not understand how someone aged 5, or even 8, can become pregnant. Doesn't a female have to start menstruating before they can become pregnant?

The story is quite tragic. I don't understand how someone could rape an 8 year old and not hate themselves...

When a girl enters puberty, she will ovulate once before her first menstruation. This is why girls are taught that it is NOT safe to have sex with a boy even if they haven't gotten their first period yet (and a sad commentary on society that it is necessary to tell girls this).

This is probably a tragic combination of a young girl going through precocious puberty and getting raped at that tender age, just the right combination for an 8 yr old to wind up pregnant.

 

[Adam]

I believe this is the appropriate response: http://www.slugger.com/

 

[Kerrie]

hehe, if Adam is not already a dad, then i can only imagine how he will be with a daughter

 

[Adam]

Pfft. If I ever have a daughter, I'll need binoculars, a shotgun, and rock-salt.

 

[recon]

I feel sad for the 8 year-old girl. At the same time, I'm also quite curious as to how she looks like. I am caught in quite a dilemma here. I don't want her paraded around as some kind of medical marvel, but at the same time I wish there was a picture of her somewhere. The picture of the 5-year-old mother surprised me because other than her belly and breasts, she looked like an ordinary kid. Maybe this was because the photograph was in such a bad state.

You know, now that I think about it, I don't want to see a photograph of her. I don't want my brain to flash on a picture of a dwarf teen everytime the word "child" is mentioned.

 

[Dagenais]

you are extremely insensitive!

You just noticed?

perhaps if situations of reality such as this really make you sick, you should resort to living in your SUV in suburbia.

I actually live in the city. I do own an SUV, but I can guarantee you probably use up more gas than I do each month or drive more miles. How often do you take the metro or even walk/ride a bike? Remember my American friend - answer that truthfully.

Dag's one of the most selfish people I've ever spoken with.

Hey Chroot, long time no write! I've never actually spoken to you, but I have written to you. (BTW, That's the nicest thing you've ever written to me, maybe you've gotten less bitter).

And it's "Dagenais". I don't call you Chro, so please refrain from shortening my beautiful name.

I don't understand how someone could rape an 8 year old and not hate themselves...

He may not have morally developed yet. Kohlberg's stage 2: Self-interest. He may have not learned to think about others yet.

Kerrie is stage 3, seeking approval from others. They try to make others see them as a good boy.

 

[amwbonfire]

He may not have morally developed yet. Kohlberg's stage 2: Self-interest. Hasn't learned to think about others yet.

Ok, so there's at least a reason. Though there always is, when it comes to violence.

Why is everyone attacking Dagenais? It's not exactly the nicest picture to look at, though it is hard not to feel sympathy for the girl. He was just going with his gut reaction, which is that the picture is pretty horrible. Don't attack people because they don't jump to the same conclusions as you. Be nice. PF is widely regarded as a place where people discuss things calmly and without resorting to insults.

Having said that, Dagenais, be nice too!

Let's all be friends!

 

[Dagenais]

Ok, so there's at least a reason. Though there always is, when it comes to violence.

Why is everyone attacking Dagenais? It's not exactly the nicest picture to look at, though it is hard not to feel sympathy for the girl. He was just going with his gut reaction, which is that the picture is pretty horrible. Don't attack people because they don't jump to the same conclusions as you. Be nice. PF is widely regarded as a place where people discuss things calmly and without resorting to insults.

Having said that, Dagenais, be nice too!

Let's all be friends!

Thank you amwbonfire. The picture isn't easy to look at, and what I said was true whether or not it was the 'compassionate' thing to say.

I appreciate your honest comments. You are Stage 6: people's moral reasoning is based on the use of abstract reasoning using universal principles. (from Wikipedia)

And I too, have no clue why people are always attacking me.

 

[amwbonfire]

Pfft. If I ever have a daughter, I'll need binoculars, a shotgun, and rock-salt.

Salt? I can understand the shotty and binoculars, but salt?

 

[jimmy p]

Salt? I can understand the shotty and binoculars, but salt?

Salt pellets instead of real shotgun shells. Or he may use it to rub into the wounds of the people he shot... HAHAHAHA!

As for this article, it is pretty creepy. Isnt there some kind of disorder at which girls will start puberty practically from birth?

 

[Outcast]

Puberty Coming Earlier

An epidemic of early puberty is hitting young girls in the U.S. Among Caucasian girls in the U.S. today, 1 in every 7 starts to develop breasts or pubic hair by age 8, and among African American girls in the U.S., the figure is nearly 1 out of every 2.

Secondary sexual characteristics and menses in young girls seen in office practice: a study from the pediatric research in office settings network. Pediatrics 99(4):505-512, 1997.

Herman-Giddens, ME, EJ Slora, RC Wasserman, CJ Bourdony, MV Bhapkar, GG Koch and CM Hasemeir. 1997.

Herman-Giddens et al. analyze data rating stages of sexual maturation in 17,077 girls ages 3 through 12 in the United States. Of the sample, 9.6% were African-American and 90.4% were white.

Even at the age of 3, the youngest in the study, 3% of African-American girls and 1% of white girls showed breast and/or pubic hair development, with proportions increasing to 27.2% and 6.7%, respectively, at 7 years of age. At age 8 the percentages are 48.3% and 14.7%.

Prevalence of breast development at Tanner stage 2 or greater by age and race. Prevalence of pubic hair development at Tanner stage 2 or greater by age and race.

The mean age for onset of breast development was 8.87 years for African-American girls and 9.96 years for white girls; for onset of pubic hair development mean ages were 8.78 years and 10.51 years, respectivel

What is so extremely worrisome is that brain development is greatly reduced at the onset of puberty, as the body shifts to sexual development.

No, this phenomenon is man-made - by the ignorant and irresponsible use of chemicals in our food and environments. And since the Puerto Rican horror story also includes boys with well developed breasts, some as young as 4 and 5 years-old, it is quite clear that female growth hormones - most likely the estrogen fed to chickens (Puerto Rico is a major producer of chickens for the US fast food market), and/or the pseudo-estrogens in many common plastics, are involved.

They found that the median age of menarche in contemporary British teenagers is around 13 years and that there has been no appreciable recent decrease in menarcheal age.

So, now we have to ask why in the US, and not in Britain?

 

[Outcast]

Sicko marries 6 year old girl.

http://www.vdare.com/fulford/prophet_loss.htm

In 624 Abu Bakr (Muhammad’s daily companion and one of his first believers and successor of Muhammad) gave Muhammad his daughter Aisha when she was six years old, although the actual marriage was not consummated until she was nine. (This fact is uncontested by all Muslim scholars and chroniclers without exception.) At the time of their marriage Muhammad was 54 years old (the age of her grandfather) – a difference of 45 years in their ages.

Aisha herself testified to these facts:

“The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old.”

Source: Sahih Muslim (by Imam al-Mawawy), vol. 3, p. 577. [Book 008, Verse 3309]

Chapter 10: IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO GIVE THE HAND OF HIS DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE EVEN WHEN SHE IS NOT FULLY GROWN UP http://www.2muslims.com/Quran_and_Hadith/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html

 

[amwbonfire]

Chapter 10: IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO GIVE THE HAND OF HIS DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE EVEN WHEN SHE IS NOT FULLY GROWN UP http://www.2muslims.com/Quran_and_Hadith/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html

Just because it is written in a book does not make it ethical or right.

Andy
AMW Bonfire

 

[Outcast]

Just because it is written in a book does not make it ethical or right.

Andy
AMW Bonfire

I agree, but it does make it legal under Islamic law

 

[Gokul43201]

Just because it is written in a book does not make it ethical or right.

Andy
AMW Bonfire

Half the world's population will disagree with you on that.

 

[Zantra]

Half the world's population will disagree with you on that.

and that same half would probably commit ritual suicide with a rusty dull knife upon the coming of a comet if it said to do so in some religious text.

THINK people! use the noggin! Sometimes people are such sheep just doing like they're told, or don't question anything no matter how immoral, that it dumbfounds me.


People are always fond of saying "but x number of people follow the same behavior..."

well if the pope had a vision that all christians should commit ritual suicide in preperation for the coming of christ, and half the world's population put guns's in their mouths, I wouldn't be one of them.


Stupid is, as stupid does- my mamma always used to say

 

[Outcast]

and that same half would probably commit ritual suicide with a rusty dull knife upon the coming of a comet if it said to do so in some religious text.

THINK people! use the noggin! Sometimes people are such sheep just doing like they're told, or don't question anything no matter how immoral, that it dumbfounds me.


People are always fond of saying "but x number of people follow the same behavior..."

well if the pope had a vision that all christians should commit ritual suicide in preperation for the coming of christ, and half the world's population put guns's in their mouths, I wouldn't be one of them.


Stupid is, as stupid does- my mamma always used to say

Why not? It work in Jonestown and Waco.

 

[aisha]

I don't believe it

Ive been reading through all these threads and about the 8 year old who got raped and became pregnant but I am in so much denial I saw the pic does anyone knoe of the article or site where i can read more on this topic

 

[tribdog]

8 year old pregnant(due to sicko)
I'm amazed that you added (due to sicko) did you really think we might reach a different conclusion?

 

[TENYEARS]

There was once a 9 year old who gave birth in africa. I remember reading about it some years ago. Sick bastards yes. He should be beaten slowly and continually with salt thrown on his wounds. For that pain is minor to the horror a parent must feel in such circumstance. Children are the closest things to truth there is for adults are lost. To take the innocense from a child is like committing the murder of a soul. The spirit is placed in shackles with no hope. The child will be imprisioned for much of her life. To know no parent came to help, no person. What a life for this child. Humanity is a pathetic species and one of the least intelligent of all animals. Obvious only to the englightened.

 

[the number 42]

Forget the relgious education lesson...

Puberty Coming Earlier

...because this looks like a more immediate cause for concern. What the hell are we doing to ourselves? I'd be a lot more concerned about environmental oestrogens - that affect everybody - than the sicko supposedly lurking behind every hedge.

I say environmental oestrogens affects everyone, but why some parts of the world more than others? More industrial waste in some areas? Reporting bias?

 

[Moonbear]

Forget the relgious education lesson...



...because this looks like a more immediate cause for concern. What the hell are we doing to ourselves? I'd be a lot more concerned about environmental oestrogens - that affect everybody - than the sicko supposedly lurking behind every hedge.

I say environmental oestrogens affects everyone, but why some parts of the world more than others? More industrial waste in some areas? Reporting bias?

It's not all linked to environmental estrogens. Earlier puberty is also linked to obesity in children. There are theories that body size and body fat percentage are limiting to the onset of puberty. In other words, everything else can be right, but if a girl doesn't have sufficient body fat, puberty will be delayed. But, now girls are reaching that body fat level very early, so puberty can kick in much earlier. There has also always been a large range of when puberty begins, it's the median that's shifting. They are more uncommon, but the extremes have always existed.

 

[dekoi]

Absolutely horrible. Think of the pain and torture that man has caused this young child.

I'm speechless.

Eight years old...

As for the insensitive bastard(s), think of your own daughter becoming pregnant at 8 years old. Even worse, think of your daughter being raped at any age.

As for the "moral developement" issue, that does not change the fact that the criminal should be jailed and taught what morality really is.

 

[the number 42]

... if a girl doesn't have sufficient body fat, puberty will be delayed. But, now girls are reaching that body fat level very early, so puberty can kick in much earlier.

Very interesting. I don't doubt what you say, but given the constant media hype about obsesity in children I'm surprised that I have never heard of this as one of the consequences.

This is all chilling stuff, like living in a sci-fi story or something. Do you think that the delay in brain development mentioned in the article means permanent damage &/or deficits? In what areas? Brrrrrr... this just gets scarier.

 

[Moonbear]

Very interesting. I don't doubt what you say, but given the constant media hype about obsesity in children I'm surprised that I have never heard of this as one of the consequences.

The people I know researching this aren't the sort of people that send out press releases at every opportunity (they are a bit shy of the media). The findings are far from conclusive, probably because it's one of several contributors, not a single cause. For example, hormones at puberty will influence body fat distribution, but only if there is enough fat to distribute. A very lean woman is likely to have fairly small breasts even in adulthood (nevermind those models with implants), but an obese child can more quickly develop breasts at the earliest stages of puberty. A lot of the signs of early puberty involve secondary sexual characteristics, and are not necessarily related to changes in menarche (onset of menstrual cycles).

This is all chilling stuff, like living in a sci-fi story or something. Do you think that the delay in brain development mentioned in the article means permanent damage &/or deficits? In what areas? Brrrrrr... this just gets scarier.

I don't really know. That article was sufficiently vague about what they meant by that. If those changes are related to something other than sexual maturation, then they'd need to show they are directly influenced by hormones at puberty and not just temporally related without any direct cause and effect relationship.

Another factor that could be involved, but I'm just hand-waving on this one, is that advances in medicine are allowing increases in survival of babies born to young mothers, so there may be less selection pressure against passing on genes for early puberty because those young mothers and their babies don't die in the process of childbirth. On the flip-side, those girls who enter early puberty, and through societal pressures still don't reproduce until they are older, may also make it easier to pass on those genes than if all girls started to reproduce as soon as they were physically able, again, increasing the likelihood that those entering puberty early have healthy children rather than dying young in childbirth.