What is the pH of 0.15 M NH4Cl?

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The pH of a 0.15 M NH4Cl solution is calculated to be 5.04 using the ICE table method and the relationship between Ka and Kb. The discussion highlights confusion regarding the use of -log(x) for determining pH, emphasizing that x must be solved first before applying the logarithm. It clarifies that NH4 is an acid, thus it does not have a Kb value, and the correct approach involves using Ka for calculations. Participants also note that while Ka and Kb are related through Kw, they should not be confused in terms of their application. The conversation ultimately reinforces the proper methodology for calculating pH in weak acid solutions.
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What is the pH of 0.15 M NH4Cl?
Okay, I set up my ICE table,

NH4 + H2O <---> H3O+ + NH3-
I 0.15 M --- --- ---
Δ -x --- +x +x
E 0.15-x --- x x

KbNH3-=1.8x10-5
So Kw=1.0e-14=Ka*Kb, so KaNH4=5.56e-10

So, Ka=[H3O+][A-]/[HA]

5.56e-10=x^2/0.15-x
[H+]=[H3O+]=[x]=9.13e-6

pH=-log[H+]
pH=5.04

I understand the work, but my question is why can't I take the -log[x] from kb=[OH-][HA]/? Is it because I have the Kb of NH3 and not the Kb of NH4? Thanks!
 
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d.tran103 said:
my question is why can't I take the -log[x] from kb=[OH-][HA]/


Huh? -log[Kb] is pKb. I suppose that's not what you mean, but what you wrote makes no other sense to me.
 
Oh sorry, I meant to say -log(x) as in taking the -log(H3O+) (from the original ice table)
 
I still have no idea what you mean by "-log(H3O+) (from the original ice table)".

H3O+ in your ICE table is either 0 (initial value) - you can't take log of zero, or x - which is an unknown, so you can't calculate logarithm of its value before solving the problem.
 
NH4 has no Kb because it is an acid, not a base. I honestly have no idea what your question is even asking.
 
I'm still not sure what you're asking. You take the -log(x) once you solve for it to get the pH. If you used the Kb, then you would do 14.00 + log(x) because x in that case would equal the hydroxide concentration, so to get pH you must subtract the pOH from 14.00.
 
binomial said:
NH4 has no Kb because it is an acid, not a base

Not that you are wrong, but KaKb=Kw, so you can give both for any acid/conjugate base pair. People often abbreviate it and say Kb of an acid or Ka of a base.

That beiung said, I doubt that's what the OP meant.

binomial said:
I'm still not sure what you're asking. You take the -log(x) once you solve for it to get the pH. If you used the Kb, then you would do 14.00 + log(x) because x in that case would equal the hydroxide concentration, so to get pH you must subtract the pOH from 14.00.

You answered a spammer quoting a random part of the first post :-p
 
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