Limits to pure reason and nature of reality

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The discussion centers around the philosophical implications of reality as perceived through Kant's lens of pure reason and the FQXI Essay competition's theme of whether reality is digital or analog. It raises the question of whether the ultimate nature of reality is always elusive, akin to a mirage, suggesting that what we can discover is limited to sense data. The conversation critiques the notion of objective science, arguing that our understanding is fundamentally a construct of human perception and consciousness. It posits that science, rather than being an absolute representation of reality, is a subjective interpretation influenced by human cognition. The dialogue also questions the existence of a "real world" independent of perception, emphasizing that the only certainty is individual conscious experience. The participants explore the idea that while perceived reality may not align with an ultimate reality, asserting a complete disconnection between the two is a more significant claim that requires further examination.
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Hi all,
I have a little out of track
question and I was forced to
consider this after reading FQXI
Essay competition title Is
Reality Digital or Analogue and
Kant's Critique of Pure reason
simultaneously.
If I am not wrong, according to
Kant, there are limits of pure
reason. Is not the ultimate
nature of reality always
elusive? Something like a
mirage of pond for a deer. The
deer always chases the pond
but never reaches one. Is not
that what we can discover is
merely sense data? Can we say
definitely, now or at any point
in future, whether nature is
analogous or digital? Does not
emperical finding (sense data)
always have possibility of going
further? Like first they came up
with the idea of atoms, then
nuclear particles, then quarks
then what not?
Thank You
 
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I didn't read Kant but 'realists' can tell me what they want: it is quite clear to me that whatever we perceive and describe with our so called 'exact' sciences is ultimately a human mind-sense data construct. The idea of a 'pure' science which abstracts from sensory experience, human mind and consciousness is an illusion. We might say that the sensory world we live in is not much different than the digital world of the film Matrix. This doesn't mean there is no reality 'out there', but that the 'reality' we perceive has nothing to do with the 'real reality'. Science is not an ultimate and absolutely objective view of the world but a representation, a fiction, at bottom it is based on subjective mental entities of the homo sapiens mind. And reason and rationality itself are only a way of cognition, not the ultimate tools to know the truth. The idea that reason is the only way to 'know' is an anthropocentric conception that science itself dismisses.
 
the 'reality' we perceive has nothing to do with the 'real reality'.

The reality we perceive may not be the real reality, but saying that they are completely unconnected is a much stronger claim.

Given your arguments to the contrary, why do you believe that there is a real world 'out there'?
 
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