Concept of Rate: Understanding Division of Different Units

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The discussion centers on the concept of "rate," particularly in relation to different units, such as speed expressed as meters per second. The participants clarify that the expression for division arises from the definition of slope, which is calculated as the change in distance over the change in time (Δmeters/Δtime). The term "per" indicates division, illustrating how one quantity is related to another over a specific interval. The analogy of a ball rolling a certain distance in a set time helps to conceptualize how rates work. Ultimately, the conversation reflects a struggle to fully grasp the relationship between division and rates of change.
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The concept of a "rate"

Here's another question from good ol square :|

I was hoping to get some clarification about the concept of a rate of two quantities, with different units, like speed \frac{a-units}{b-units}. How does the expression for division \frac{a-units}{b-units} arise from the statement like 'a' meters per 'b' seconds?

If I were to plot meters vs. time for some object moving at constant speed, I can get the 'rate' of the curve by using the definition of slope like we were taught Δmeters/Δtime ie the speed.

I also understand that acceleration is the change in velocity, 'per' given desired time interval ie Δvelocity/Δtime.

In both cases, I don't think I have conceptual issue with why it makes sense to define these rates of change with respect to time, I just don't understand what division has to do with it - multiple subtractions of units of time, from the numerator?? :S Thanks.
 
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Hi Square1! :smile:
Square1 said:
… I can get the 'rate' of the curve by using the definition of slope like we were taught Δmeters/Δtime ie the speed.

… I just don't understand what division has to do with it - multiple subtractions of units of time, from the numerator??

The slope is a division: units up over units across.

(and i don't understand the last part of your question, about subtractions)
 
"per" means "divide".
 
A ball rolls 5 feet every 30 seconds. How far has it rolled after 3 minutes (solve without using fractions)? How did you reason out your answer? Is it a bit like "There are 5 feet attributed to every slice of 30 seconds, so I just have to find how many slices of 30 seconds fit into 3 minutes" ? That's pretty much the motivation for a fraction: one property is directly associated to a certain amount of a different property, so operations with that property correspond to operations on the proper corresponding multiple of the first property.
 
Thank you for the feedback everyone. I am backing out of this question though. I don't know if I am overthinking it or something, but I am having a "I'm not exactly sure what my own problem even is" moment. Although, there is something I'm not getting :S Maybe I'll come back to it another time.
 
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