Deriving Volume of a Prolate Spheroid with Calculus: Tips and Methods

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The discussion revolves around deriving the volume of a prolate spheroid using calculus, specifically exploring various methods such as the method of shells and coordinate transformations. Participants are seeking clarity on the appropriate techniques and mathematical foundations involved in this derivation.

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  • Participants discuss the use of different methods, including the method of shells and coordinate transformations. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the prolate spheroid and an ellipse, as well as the implications of specific dimensions on the problem. There is also inquiry into the validity of using rectangular coordinates for integration.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various methods and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of coordinate transformations and the relationship between the prolate spheroid and ellipses. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single approach, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants mention constraints such as the need for specific dimensions and the relationship between the volume of a prolate spheroid and an American football. There is also a discussion about the potential confusion between prolate and oblate spheroids, highlighting the importance of correctly identifying axes in the calculations.

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How would you go about deriving the volume of a prolate spheroid using calculus? Would I use the method of shells? I am not sure where to begin. Any help and tips are greatly appreciated!

Thanks :smile:
 
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Use prolate spheroid coordinates.

Daniel.
 
I am not sure what you mean. How would I go about it using the method of shells?

Thanks
 
I don't have a clue.I've suggested another method which I'm sure would do it.

Daniel.
 
You know where I could find an explanation of that method? Do calculus books contain these topics? Also the volume of a prolate spheroid is the same as the volume of an American football which I am trying to find. If I have some dimensions, could the problem be made easier? Also is an ellipse rotated about the x-axis a prolate spheroid?

Thanks
 
Yes for the last question.Yes for the penultimate one.

Well,then u could consider the arbitrary ellipsoid and then take 2 of the semiaxis to be equal...

Daniel.
 
So let's say the length of the football is 24 inches. Then each semi-axes are 12 inches each. So assuming we have the ellipse centered at the origin, would the intersection points be (-12,0) and (12,0). So you would use \int^{12}_{-12} \pi(f(x))^{2} dx?

Thanks :smile:
 
Yes,it's correct.After performing that integration,u should check with

V_{\mbox{prolate ellipsoid}}=\frac{4\pi}{3} a^{2}c

,where "c"is the large semixis of the ellipse and "a" is the small semiaxis=the radius of the circle described by rotation.

Daniel.
 
Isn't proving the volume formula trivial by simple integration using rectangular coordinates ?

Consider the ellipse x^2(\frac{a^2}{c^2}) + y^2 = a^2. This is the equation of the curve that would give the required ellipsoid by revolution about the x-axis.

The required enclosed volume of revolution is given by :

V = \pi\int_{-c}^{c}{y^2}dx which can be evaluated easily and shown to be V = \frac{4}{3}\pi a^2c
 
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how would you show that if you don't mind my asking?

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courtigrad:
The following coordinate transformation is handy in tackling ellipsoids (and thus, prolate spheroids).
Suppose your ellipsoid is specified by the inequality:
(\frac{x}{a})^{2}+(\frac{y}{b})^{2}+(\frac{z}{c})^{2}\leq{1}
with x,y,z normal Cartesian coordinates.
Introduce variables r,\theta,\phi as follows:
x=ar\sin\phi\cos\theta,y=br\sin\phi\sin\theta, z=cr\cos\phi, 0\leq{r}\leq1,0\leq\theta\leq{2\pi},0\leq\phi\leq\pi

This coordinate transformation is seen to simplify the inequality specifying the ellipsoid to r^{2}\leq{1} (which is fulfilled with the limits placed on r)

In order therefore to determine the volume of the ellipsoid, just use this coordinate transformation along with the change-of-variables theorem.
 
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how would you show that if you don't mind my asking?

Thanks

Arildno's post is about the general ellipsoid. You only asked for the prolate spheroid, which means two axes are necessarily the same while the third is possibly different.

I just realized that my work is for the oblate spheroid (in the orientation given), but it doesn't matter at all as long as you keep track of which is the major axis and which are the minor axes. The same formula will apply for the prolate spheroid as well.

So, taking my calculation (for the oblate spheroid), can you see why the ellipse formula is the way it is ? Basically I am relating the ellipse to a circle centered at the origin with radius a, but with a stretch factor of (c/a) applied to the horizontal dimension.

After getting that equation for the bounding ellipse, just evaluate the integral given :

V = \pi\int_{-c}^{c}{y^2}dx = \pi\int_{-c}^{c}{a^2 - (x^2)\frac{a^2}{c^2}dx = \pi[(a^2)x - \frac{x^3}{3}(\frac{a^2}{c^2})]_{-c}^{c} = (2\pi)(\frac{2}{3})a^2c = \frac{4}{3}\pi a^2c
 

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