How are room temperature photons produced?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mechanisms of room temperature thermal radiation, specifically focusing on the production of far infrared photons and the relationship between phonons and photons. Participants explore the nature of thermal emission and the processes involved in converting vibrational energy into electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether photon emission in the infrared range is related to phonons and seeks clarification on the conversion process from phonons to photons.
  • Another participant asserts that phonons and photons are distinct entities, explaining that thermal emission occurs due to quantum transitions of electrons between energy levels in molecules.
  • A participant challenges the distinction made between photon production and thermal emission, asking for further clarification on the differences.
  • Further clarification is provided that room temperature photons are generated by changes in molecular rotational or vibrational energy, rather than atomic transitions that produce visible or UV light.
  • Another participant explains that black body radiation is caused by thermal collisions between atoms and involves electromagnetic radiation produced by time-varying distortions of atomic orbitals, linking phonons to photons through thermal motion.
  • Some participants engage in light-hearted commentary about the response time of the original poster and the nature of the question, indicating a non-serious tone in parts of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between phonons and photons, with some emphasizing the distinct nature of the two while others explore their connections. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the mechanisms of photon production from phonons.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the definitions of phonons and photons, the processes of thermal emission, and the role of atomic and molecular interactions in radiation. There are unresolved questions about the specifics of how phonons are converted to photons.

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I am trying to understand the mechanisms for room temperature thermal radiation which is in the far infrared range. I have been told that photon emission in the infrared range occurs as a result of a reduction in the vibrational energy of molecules. Is this the same as phonons? How does a phonon actually get converted to a photon?
 
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Well,phonons & photons are different animals.Sure,they're bosons,but they are different particles.Thermal emission of radiation occurs when an electron makes different quantum transitions between various energy levels in molecules...The so-called "thermal photons" (in IR & microwave) are emitted or absorbed.

Daniel.

EDIT:Because the other 2 threads were deleted,i'll say again to check both books by Davydov (hopefully they're both translated from Russian-->English,the QM one definitely is).
 
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"Thermal emission of radiation occurs when an electron makes different quantum transitions between various energy levels in molecules..."

How is this so different from how photons are produced?
 
"Radiation" means photons.Wasn't it obvious from the context??

Daniel.
 
I will clarify my question. A phonon is a bundle of energy that propagates between atoms or molecules within a material i.e. a lattice vibration. Room temperature photons are generated by changes in the rotational or vibrational energy of molecules. They are not created by atomic transitions which produce visible or UV light. So my real question is how/why does a propagating phonon get absorbed by a molecule and converted to light?
 
You're correct, black body radiation is not created by atomic transitions. It does not necessarily involve molecular vibrations either. It's caused by the thermal collisions between atoms.

Atoms are polarizable. Two atoms brought close together will distort each other's orbitals. The effect is adiabatic, i.e. much lower in frequency than the frequencies associated with atomic energy levels. And since atoms are made up of charges, time-varying distortions produce electromagnetic radiation. The net result is that energy is transferred from thermal motion (phonons) to electromagnetic waves (photons).
 
The 6.5 year response time from the OP must be some kind of record. Can we expect McSteven's reply to be around March 2018? :smile:.

Claude.
 
At least we know it wasn't a homework question.
 

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