What is Lenz's Law of Electromotive Forces and How Does It Work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Lenz's Law of electromotive forces, particularly in the context of understanding how motors work. Participants explore the conceptual underpinnings of the law, its implications for electron movement in magnetic fields, and the behavior of current in wires and coils.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the fundamental concepts of Lenz's Law and its application to real-world scenarios, particularly in motors.
  • Another participant questions why electrons spinning in the same direction attract each other, suggesting that their magnetic fields align.
  • Concerns are raised about the movement of electrons when a north pole enters a ring and why they remain still when the magnet is stationary.
  • There is a discussion about the reversal of current when the north pole is removed, linked to the changing magnetic field.
  • Participants inquire about how electrons flowing through a wire can exert a magnetic pull and how to determine the north and south poles in various configurations.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the intrinsic magnetic properties of charged particles and the behavior of magnetic fields around straight wires and coils.
  • One participant explains that parallel wires attract when currents flow in the same direction and repel when they flow in opposite directions, but acknowledges the complexity of the explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the fundamental understanding of magnetic fields and electron behavior in different scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of magnetic poles in various contexts, the conditions under which electrons respond to magnetic fields, and the implications of current flow in wires.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students studying electromagnetism, educators seeking to clarify concepts related to Lenz's Law, and anyone interested in the practical applications of electromagnetic principles in motors and wiring configurations.

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I'm in grade 12 physics trying to understand how motors work. My teacher is useless.

I read the official law, but I do not understand how it conceptually works.

Here is the aplet he gave me, if you want to explain with respect to a visual.
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/lenzlaw/index.html

Thank you very much! I really need to understand this. It is the first thing that seems applicable to the real world.
 
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What exactly are you confused about? The site explains exactly what happens, so it would help if you could tell us specifically what doesn't seem to make sense.
 
It is difficult to say.

Why do electrons spinning in the same direction attract?

When the north pole enters the ring, why do the electrons move?

Why do they stay still when the magnet is still?

Why is the current reversed when the north pole is taken away?

Edit: Actually, why do electrons flowing through a wire even have a magnetic pull?
And in a wire with current flowing through it, how is the north pole and south pole determined if the magnetic field is a circle?
 
012anonymousx said:
It is difficult to say.

Why do electrons spinning in the same direction attract?

Because their magnetic fields line up with each north pole facing the south pole of the next one.
When the north pole enters the ring, why do the electrons move?

Faraday's law of induction! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction

When the magnetic field changes, electrical charges feel a force that accelerates them in a particular direction.

Why do they stay still when the magnet is still?

When stationary the magnetic field is no longer changing and no force is generated on the charges.
Why is the current reversed when the north pole is taken away?

The direction of force depends on if the field is increasing or decreasing.

Edit: Actually, why do electrons flowing through a wire even have a magnetic pull?
And in a wire with current flowing through it, how is the north pole and south pole determined if the magnetic field is a circle?

It's just the way it works. A moving charge is seen by another charge as having a magnetic field. As for current through a coil, use the Right Hand Rule: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_hand_grip_rule
If you grip a solenoid (the whole thing, not just around one loop) with your fingers in the direction of current flow, your thumb points towards the magnetic north pole.
 
Okay, I'm begginning to understand.

But how do the electrons feel the pull or repel of a magnet when the iron is unmagnetized? And how do you determine direction of force (or current flow)

Finally, I got solenoid, but how does one determine the n and s pole of a straight, single wire? (I.e why does parallel wiring attract and serioes with current flowing opposite repel?

Thanks a lot. These are the last questions I think because they are the essence of what I need to know. I just didn't know what I was talking about before. A reply is very greatly appreciated! Thanks a lot!
 
012anonymousx said:
Okay, I'm begginning to understand.

But how do the electrons feel the pull or repel of a magnet when the iron is unmagnetized? And how do you determine direction of force (or current flow)

Charged particles always have north and south magnetic poles because they have intrinsic spin. When iron is not magnetized these poles just don't line up and you don't have a macroscopic magnetic field.

Finally, I got solenoid, but how does one determine the n and s pole of a straight, single wire? (I.e why does parallel wiring attract and serioes with current flowing opposite repel?

A straight wire does not have a north and south pole. The lines of magnetic force form a circle around it as the pictures on the wiki articles shows. If I were to put a small compass near it and move it around the wire the needle would orient itself with its side towards the wire and would stay that way. The north pole of the needle would align itself in the direction of the arrows.

Once you make a coil you orient the wire in a way that causes lines of magnetic flux to all point to one side of the coil, creating a north and south pole.

If you have two parallel wires the magnetic lines will come around each wire and either meet head on and repel in an opposite current setup, or meet and add together in a same current direction setup. It's hard to explain.
 
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See this page: http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/domains/index.html
And here: http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/magwire/index.html
And here too: http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/parallelwires/index.html
 
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I appreciate all the help!
 

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