Computing coefficient of friction without experiment

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Calculating the coefficient of friction between two solid materials without experimental data is theoretically challenging due to the complex electromagnetic interactions at play. While some suggest using simulations or intermediary materials for comparison, the consensus is that friction cannot be accurately derived from first principles. Empirical methods remain necessary for practical analysis and theory development. The discussion highlights the limitations of current understanding and computational power in addressing this problem. Ultimately, the calculation of friction remains an unresolved challenge in materials science.
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Is there theoretically any way to compute a coefficient of friction (solid on solid) without an experiment between the two materials? Say, some kind of simulation, or perhaps comparing both materials to an intermediary material?
 
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"... Friction is not itself a fundamental force but arises from fundamental electromagnetic forces between the charged particles constituting the two contacting surfaces. The complexity of these interactions makes the calculation of friction from first principles impossible and necessitates the use of empirical methods for analysis and the development of theory. ..."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction

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https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#...56,d.dmQ&fp=a0091817c9b3c677&biw=1093&bih=491

Sounds like a challenge, can't be done! Start calculating, you know what the answer has to be.
 
I'm sure it CAN be done. We just don't understand enough about it and/or don't have powerful enough computers. Yet.
 
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