Lorentz Transformations in xy & xyz Directions | Pat

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in different spatial dimensions, specifically when considering inertial frames moving in the xy or xyz directions. Participants explore the implications of these transformations beyond the standard one-dimensional case along the x-axis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Pat questions whether the standard Lorentz transformations apply only when inertial frames are moving in the x-direction and seeks transformations for cases in the xy or xyz directions.
  • Some participants reference existing literature, such as a paper by Byron L. Coulter, suggesting that the situation is known as plane motion and may have established solutions.
  • Eugene provides alternative transformation equations that incorporate a velocity vector in multiple dimensions, indicating a more complex approach to the problem.
  • Another participant mentions the use of matrix multiplication to express the transformations, presenting a matrix form that generalizes the Lorentz transformations for three dimensions.
  • One participant expresses a sense of uncertainty regarding the complexity of the topic, acknowledging that there may not be a simple answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the transformations for multidimensional motion, with multiple competing views and approaches presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific transformations applicable in the xy or xyz directions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on definitions of motion in multiple dimensions and the complexity of deriving transformations that account for various relative velocities.

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So I'm looking at some Lorentz transformation equations and it says
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t'=\gamma(t-vx/c^{2})
y'=y
z'=z

I'm assuming the values for y', y, z' and z only hold true when the inertial frames of S and S' are moving at a relative velocity in the x-direction. With this being said, what would the transformations be if the inertial frames were in an xy or xyz direction? Thanks in advance.

-Pat
 
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lorentz transformation plane motion

patapat said:
So I'm looking at some Lorentz transformation equations and it says
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t'=\gamma(t-vx/c^{2})
y'=y
z'=z

I'm assuming the values for y', y, z' and z only hold true when the inertial frames of S and S' are moving at a relative velocity in the x-direction. With this being said, what would the transformations be if the inertial frames were in an xy or xyz direction? Thanks in advance.

-Pat
As far as I know the situation is known as plane motion. Your question is answered in

Relativistic motion in a plane
Byron L. Coulter
Am. J. Phys. 48, 633 (1980) Full Text: [ PDF (486 kB) GZipped PS Order ]
I think it can be simplified.
 
patapat said:
So I'm looking at some Lorentz transformation equations and it says
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t'=\gamma(t-vx/c^{2})
y'=y
z'=z

I'm assuming the values for y', y, z' and z only hold true when the inertial frames of S and S' are moving at a relative velocity in the x-direction. With this being said, what would the transformations be if the inertial frames were in an xy or xyz direction? Thanks in advance.

-Pat

If (\mathbf{r},t) are space-time coordinates of an event in the reference frame O, and the reference frame O' moves with velocity \mathbf{v} = c \vec{\theta} \theta^{-1} \tanh \theta with respect to O, then space-time coordinates (\mathbf{r}',t') of the same event in O' can be obtained by formulas

\mathbf{r}' = \mathbf{r} + \frac{\vec{\theta}}{\theta}(\mathbf{r} \cdot \frac{\vec{\theta}}{\theta}) (\cosh \theta - 1) - \frac{\vec{\theta}}{\theta} ct \sinh \theta

t' = t \cosh \theta - (\mathbf{r} \cdot \frac{\vec{\theta}}{\theta}) \frac{\sinh \theta}{c}

These formulas are derived by the same procedure as momentum-energy Lorentz transformations (see eq. (4.2) - (4.3) in http://www.arxiv.org/physics/0504062 )

Eugene.
 
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t'=\gamma(t-{\vec r}\cdot{\vec v}/c^2)
 
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The previous reply is three equations, I couldn't get Latex to do line by line.
r_\parallel and r_\perp are parallel and perp to v.
 
And if you know matrix multiplication,
B = \begin{pmatrix} \gamma &amp; -\gamma \beta_1 &amp; -\gamma \beta_2 &amp; -\gamma \beta_3 \\<br /> -\gamma \beta_1 &amp; 1 + \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_1^2}{\beta^2} &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_1\beta_2}{\beta^2} &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_1\beta_3}{\beta^2} \\<br /> -\gamma \beta_2 &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_1\beta_2}{\beta^2} &amp; 1+\frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_2^2}{\beta^2} &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_2\beta_3}{\beta^2} \\<br /> -\gamma \beta_3 &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_1\beta_3}{\beta^2} &amp; \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_2\beta_3}{\beta^2} &amp; 1 + \frac{(\gamma - 1)\beta_3^2}{\beta^2}<br /> \end{pmatrix}
where \beta = (\beta_1, \beta_2, \beta_3) is a unit vector in the direction of the relative velocity, and
x&#039; = B x for x = (c t, x, y, z) and similar for the transformed system x&#039;.

Source: Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics, chapter 11.7[/size]
 
I had a feeling there was no simple answer, thanks guys.
 

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