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The discussion centers around the relationship between distance, energy, and time, encapsulated in the equation D=E(t). It posits that distance is always represented as one, implying energy must be less than one unless at a singularity, which affects the perception of time relative to energy levels. Traveling near the speed of light results in significant time dilation, where one second of travel equates to thousands of seconds on Earth. The conversation also explores the concept of a fundamental unit of distance, potentially the Planck length, and how it relates to energy and time measurements. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the need for a consistent framework in understanding these physical concepts, while also touching on black holes and the nature of energy.
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D=E(t)

Distance Energy Time

Distance is always 1 because no matter what unit of distance your using it can always be represented as one. If distance equals one energy must be less than one unless it is a point of singularity.

Therefor time is relative to the amount of energy in said distance. The greater that Energy the lower the value for time. So traveling near light speed may be 1.0000001t and time on Earth 8103.0993t relative to each other
(roughly one second traveling near light speed would equal roughly 8013 seconds on earth)
 
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PRyckman said:
D=E(t)

Distance Energy Time

Distance is always 1 because no matter what unit of distance your using it can always be represented as one. If distance equals one energy must be less than one unless it is a point of singularity.

Therefor time is relative to the amount of energy in said distance. The greater that Energy the lower the value for time. So traveling near light speed may be 1.0000001t and time on Earth 8103.0993t relative to each other
(roughly one second traveling near light speed would equal roughly 8013 seconds on earth)
So you're saying that e=d/t, or e=1/t...Basically, energy wouldn't exactly be too high...Nowhere near mc^2.
 
IooqXpooI said:
So you're saying that e=d/t, or e=1/t...Basically, energy wouldn't exactly be too high...Nowhere near mc^2.

Then you are measuring too great a distance
plus a value of 1 would be a black hole it must be less than one. Travelling near light speed would be 0.999999999
 
PRyckman said:
D=E(t)

Distance Energy Time

Distance is always 1 because no matter what unit of distance your using it can always be represented as one.

Are you saying that a 1-mile distance is equivalent to 186,000 miles? That is absurd, and your interpretation of the equation fails on that assumption.
 
No ofcourse not, just any distance you measure with can always be represented as one. You would have one unit that would be equal to 186,000 miles
 
So rather than having one unit and representing arbitrary distances as multiple of that unit, you'd prefer to have an infinite number of different units, one for each distance to be described?

- Warren
 
Yes because that's the only way it can be relative universe wide. Ps. Theres only one true value for Distance, and that value is the smallest point of distance that exists. I would think that, that distance can be found by dividing the entire equation until E is less than one, and Time is greater than one.
 
Okay, so now that you agree that you'd like to have an infinite number of different distance units, I'd like to ask you the very important question:

How could one compare them? If my height is one Warren-height-unit, and your height is one PRyckman-height-unit, can you tell me how we could determine who is taller?

- Warren
 
That is not what I agreed to. I agreed that the value for distance must be the smallest possible distance that exists, only then is it represented as one.
The only reason to change it from one would be to compare it to our measuring system.
 
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You quite clearly agreed in post #7 that each distance must be assigned its own unit such that the distance is exactly one such unit. Do you now retract this assertion?

- Warren
 
  • #11
Okay if that is what I presented, my intentions were that
if d=E(t)
and 1=123141E(a hell of a lot)
Then divide the entire equation until E<1
But you may keep distance equal to one. If you want to understand the size of the distance then start with Say a centimetre and divide into fractions.

I suppose I'm just saying it equal to one because eventually that's the size your dealing with if there exists a point where there is nothing smaller.
 
  • #12
So you're saying that 1 = some larger number?

- Warren
 
  • #13
Yes 1 could equal a kilometre, then divide the equation until at Plancks constant(i need to read up on Plancks constant)
 
  • #14
Okay read up on it, No not Plancks constant.
My d that equals one is the smallest amount of distance that exists.
However that point may not actually exist.
To back that up, I think if there is a distance that small it's definition shall be the same as pie.

In pie we are trying to find edges on a perfect circle correct?
If that circle is truly perfect the only way we could find edges on it is if space itself isn't perfect.
Therefor If we ever find an absolute value for pie then that is the smallest point of space that can exist.
 
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PRyckman said:
(i need to read up on Plancks constant)

Here you go..

http://www.britannica.com/nobel/micro/470_46.html

The dimension of Planck's constant is the product of energy multiplied by time, a quantity called action. Planck's constant is often defined, therefore, as the elementary quantum of action. Its value in metre-kilogram-second units is 6.6260755 x 10^-34 joule-second.
 
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thx. that definition was better than the one I have in a book(schrodingers cat) Yes for some reason before I had thought it was the smallest amount of distance that exists in space
 
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PRyckman said:
Therefor If we ever find an absolute value for pie then that is the smallest point of space that can exist.

How can a value simultaneously be infinitely small and also approximately = to 3.14?
 
  • #18
It is not equal to the value of pie, but equal to the amount of distance being measured
when a value for pie is determined...Every decimal you move down the line (right) you are measuring a point smaller by a factor of ten.
 
  • #19
PRyckman,

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

- Warren
 
  • #20
Can you restate your questions please?
 
  • #21
Post #10.

- Warren
 
  • #22
I thought I had answered that in post 11
But to answer it in a word
no
In a sentence, I believe there is a measurement of distance that can go no smaller. And that distance should set the basis for measurement, one unit of that distance.

However If no such distance exists
then you must divide the equation until E<1 and t>1
 
  • #23
Okay, so we can take a basic unit of length to be the Planck length, for example. That's fine, people do that all the time. Then I am 1.14 * 1035 Planck units in height. I am not "1" in height, as you've been demanding.

So which is it?

A) There is at least one fundamental unit of length, and distances should be represented as multiples of it.

or

B) There are an infinity of different units of length, and distances should be expressed as 1 of the appropriate unit.

- Warren
 
  • #24
Definitely A

However when reading up on Plancks constant I understood it to be an amount of energy. A sound and proven concept, but read nothing of distance. Is that <i>also</i> sound and proven?

If it is then yes I'll say distances should represent multiples of Planck units
 
  • #25
I didn't refer to Planck's constant, \hbar. I referred to the Planck length,

\mbox{\HUGE \sqrt{\frac{\hbar G}{c^3}}} \approx 1.6 \cdot 10^{-35} \, m

which is absolutely a unit of length, not energy.

Okay, so you've relinquished your ideas about lengths always being one, and agree to simply measure lengths in multiples of the Planck length.

You're one step closer to being a real physicist. Physicists commonly work in so-called "natural units," based on units like this.

- Warren
 
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  • #26
Yes yes, I did want to work with multiples of a distance. But I wanted that distance to be the smallest distance that exists, if that is Planck length, then so be it.

ok if Distance equals that nutty equation you did there
Then measured on Earth averaged at surface what amount of E exists in probability in that distance.Find that number, and you should have a relative time frame rate that you can use to compare other amounts of energy.
t=planck/E
 
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  • #27
There is also a Planck unit of time:

\mbox{\HUGE \sqrt{\frac{\hbar G}{c^5}}} \approx 5.4 \cdot 10^{-44} \, s

I should note that you would do well to go learn more existing science, because it seems to have already accomplished the the things you wish to accomplish.

- Warren
 
  • #28
Okay now If you knew the energy contained in probability in Plancks distance, in my equation would that result in a given amount of Planck time relative to Planck distance?
 
  • #29
There's also a Planck energy (are you really surprised?)

\mbox{\HUGE \sqrt{\frac{\hbar c^5}{G}}} \approx 1.95 \cdot 10^{9} \, J \approx 543 \, \textrm{kilowatt-hours}

- Warren
 
  • #30
So what if you made those all represent 1=1=1
building blocks of space?
 
  • #31
Many people work in the natural units, as I said. In those units, \hbar = G = c = 1. It simplifies equations significantly. Remember that nature doesn't care what units we use, as long as we're consistent; units are an invention of man.

- Warren
 
  • #32
Would a value of E equaling one be critical mass?
 
  • #33
In natural units, an energy of one is 543 kilowatt-hours. I don't know what you mean by "critical."

- Warren
 
  • #34
The point where too much energy exists in one spot and creates a black hole /singularity.
 
  • #35
No, that's defined by the Schwarzschild radius:

r_s = \frac{2 G M}{c^2}

If you pack mass M within radius r_s, you'll have yourself a black hole. If you'd like a fun exercise, try casting that equation in natural units.

- Warren
 
  • #36
I wouldn't know where to begin, could you tell me the interpretations of such an answer? Oh and what's the equation for pie again?
 
  • #37
Well, it's simple. If you pack a given mass, M, into a small enough space, you will create a black hole.

Do you know what defines a black hole? It's simple, really. First, imagine the good ol' Earth. You know that if you throw a baseball up into the air, it'll come to the ground, right? What happens if you throw it really hard, by strapping a big rocket to it? If you can accelerate it up to 11 km/s, the baseball can actually leave the Earth's gravitational field entirely, and never come home.

That speed, 11 km/s, is called the escape velocity, because an object will have to go at least that fast to escape the Earth's gravity.

A black hole is an object with such intense gravity that even light cannot escape. In other words, at some distance from the object, the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light. The distance from the object at which this occurs is called the event horizon, and the event horizon is at a distance of 2GM/c^2 from the object.

Let's put in a concrete example. How about the mass of the Sun? How small would you have to compress the Sun to turn it into a black hole?

Answer: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=2+G+(mass+of+sun)+/+c^2&btnG=Google+Search

Keep in mind that I haven't mentioned singularities at all. Why not? Because you don't have to have a singularity to have a black hole. All you have to do is get enough mass into a small enough space. Current physical models know of no forces that could prevent such a mass from collapsing all the way to a singularity, and most physicists feel that means that current physical models are wrong!

It is quite likely that a theory of quantum gravity like string theory will eliminate the singularity in our models of black holes.

- Warren
 
  • #38
(And there is no such thing as an "equation for pi". Note the spelling, too -- it's pi, a greek letter, not pie, a dessert.)

- Warren
 
  • #39
So what is the calculation that has been defined to millions of decimal points to no end?
..On topic
Does that Energy have to be in wave form to cause a black hole? (compressed matter would have an extremely high Energy field
 
  • #40
Ah, you're saying "what's the algorithm used to calculate the digits of pi?" There are many such algorithms.

The terms 'wave form' and 'energy field' are not part of accepted physics, so I don't know what you mean.

- Warren
 
  • #41
Does the Energy have to have no mass, that causes the black hole, for instance would a bright enough laser focused perfectly cause small black holes?
 
  • #42
I thought the value for pi was calculated using radius and area for a circle
 
  • #43
For a black hole, it doesn't matter whether the stuff inside is mass or energy. It's all the same to gravity.

Pi is defined as the ratio of circumference to diameter. That definition is not useful for calculating its digits with a computer. That requires an algorithm.

- Warren
 
  • #44
No for a black hole it doesn't matter, for my equation it does :)

Okay could you relate trying to find pi to trying to find edges on a perfect circle?
 
  • #45
I don't really care what your equation says, to be frank.

A perfect circle has no sides.

- Warren
 
  • #46
So then that'd be why you can't find a value for pi?
 
  • #47
What do you mean by 'value?' Pi has a perfectly well-defined value.

- Warren
 
  • #48
and what value is that? 3.14 ?
 
  • #49
No, 3.14 is an approximation of pi. What I mean is that pi occupies a distinct spot on the number line.

- Warren
 
  • #50
And although you don't care could you make an educated guess based on your obvious wealth of knowledge, what passes into a black hole would it be energy or mass when crossing the event horizon.
 

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